Josh Taylor is the next hypejob to get knocked out

['b']

He'll be defeated eventually, he is a good solid fighter but not a great fighter by any means, even if he is the best in his division (which we shall see). 1 loss doesn't make you a hype job, and isn't becoming a world champion at odds with you calling him a 'hype job'? Surely if he were all hype he wouldn't have become a world champion?

Name me your list of non-'hype job' fighters without a loss other than FMJ

[tophat1]

Nope, Taylor will smash him to pieces.

[TMLT87]

British fighters are the only ones that have a bunch of none Brits (usually Americans) weirdly scrutinizing everything they do so they can call them hype jobs when they eventually lose. Its pretty weird honestly given that the UK is a mid sized Euro nation.

[KingGilgamesh]

British fighters are the only ones that have a bunch of none Brits (usually Americans) weirdly scrutinizing everything they do so they can call them hype jobs when they eventually lose. Its pretty weird honestly given that the UK is a mid sized Euro nation.

The UK spends too much time hyping up fighter so it pisses people off when they don't deliver. And I say that as a Brit. I actually think there is plenty of UK talent. I think Fury, Taylor, Joyce, Joshua and even BJS are all world class, despite the latter being a pillock. The problem is they're often hailed as ATG's for fairly marginal achievements. Fury has had some immense performances. But, when looking at 90's and even 00's, he isn't very consistent and still hasn't been in the ring with a bunch of today's compelling talent. Joshua's best opponents are all in their late 30's and he's never been in the ring with another top guy. We all know his most youthful opponent, Parker, is nothing to write home about and got a hometown decision again Ruiz and dropped by Whyte. I actually think guys like Taylor (and possibly Joyce) are a tad underrated but I imagine if the latter does something significant, he'll be hailed as the best thing since sliced bread.

Look at Callum Smith, he has always been considered a serious threat to Canelo and had pretty much every physical attribute on his side...age, reach, height, size and he still get smashed to pieces by a guy whose about 8 inches shorter whilst pretty much getting psychologically sonned. When people see that it makes them think that Brits lack discernment when it comes to talent. Even more so when genuinely world class guys, like Fury (despite the recent love in), turn out to have spent a good chunk of their careers actually discounted by the UK public.

[sunny31]

The UK spends too much time hyping up fighter so it pisses people off when they don't deliver. And I say that as a Brit. I actually think there is plenty of UK talent. I think Fury, Taylor, Joyce, Joshua and even BJS are all world class, despite the latter being a pillock. The problem is they're often hailed as ATG's for fairly marginal achievements. Fury has had some immense performances. But, when looking at 90's and even 00's, he isn't very consistent and still hasn't been in the ring with a bunch of today's compelling talent. Joshua's best opponents are all in their late 30's and he's never been in the ring with another top guy. We all know his most youthful opponent, Parker, is nothing to write home about and got a hometown decision again Ruiz and dropped by Whyte. I actually think guys like Taylor (and possibly Joyce) are a tad underrated but I imagine if the latter does something significant, he'll be hailed as the best thing since sliced bread.

Look at Callum Smith, he has always been considered a serious threat to Canelo and had pretty much every physical attribute on his side...age, reach, height, size and he still get smashed to pieces by a guy whose about 8 inches shorter whilst pretty much getting psychologically sonned. When people see that it makes them think that Brits lack discernment when it comes to talent. Even more so when genuinely world class guys, like Fury (despite the recent love in), turn out to have spent a good chunk of their careers actually discounted by the UK public.

I think Brits punch well above their weight when it comes to boxing...there are over eager fans in all countries. Plenty of examples for American or mexican fighters. I would say American and mexican fighters have a tougher road through grass roots and amateur boxing, I mean mexican amateur boxing is pretty much preparation for the pro's anyway so they come up a bit harder. This means when they reach a certain level, you pretty much know they've ticked certain boxes. With a talented Brit - this might not be the case - thus maybe a few more get hyped and then fall short - but here is the thing, the hype based on talent might have been justified but sometimes you just wont know how good a fighter is until they are thrown in tough situations.

Carl Froch is an example of the opposite - he actually shined at world level because of his intangibles.

There are plenty of fans who dismiss fighters early in their careers too, and they end up being elite.

The thread is nonsense - Josh Taylor is clearly the goods, he is proven. No one is calling him a p4p star, but he is a very well rounded fighter and he will not be easy to beat. I've heard plenty of American trainers being high on him for a while now

[SplitSecond]

It's amazing how much Taylor has achieved in such a short career. The guy needs much more love and recognition.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Nope. He's going to beat Ramirez, I have no doubts.

Same here...

[KingGilgamesh]

I think Brits punch well above their weight when it comes to boxing...there are over eager fans in all countries. Plenty of examples for American or mexican fighters. I would say American and mexican fighters have a tougher road through grass roots and amateur boxing, I mean mexican amateur boxing is pretty much preparation for the pro's anyway so they come up a bit harder. This means when they reach a certain level, you pretty much know they've ticked certain boxes. With a talented Brit - this might not be the case - thus maybe a few more get hyped and then fall short - but here is the thing, the hype based on talent might have been justified but sometimes you just wont know how good a fighter is until they are thrown in tough situations.

Carl Froch is an example of the opposite - he actually shined at world level because of his intangibles.

There are plenty of fans who dismiss fighters early in their careers too, and they end up being elite.

The thread is nonsense - Josh Taylor is clearly the goods, he is proven. No one is calling him a p4p star, but he is a very well rounded fighter and he will not be easy to beat. I've heard plenty of American trainers being high on him for a while now

How does Britain "punch above its weight". Its a country of nearly 70m people and invented the thing. Its not like there is a lack of investment, the amateur boxing programme in sheffield is one of the best in the world and has been churning out olympic medallists for some time now.

The UK is not a "plucky" nation, its the fifth largest economy in the world with some of the most storied history in regards to boxing. The problem is not simply talent, its every aspect of the game. British boxers are far too rudimentary at professional level. Much of the coaching needs a complete overhaul. Its become a game of shelling out large amounts for fancy nonsense intermixed with sports science guff. Very little of it seems to be about footwork, shadowboxing and actual fighting. Whilst the increased money and interest means you get more deserving guys being developed, it also means you get a bunch of one dimensional plodders garnering interest only to be cut down by their similarly ranked Mexican/American counterparts.

[STREET CLEANER]

British boxers are trash!

Only two are good!

Either you haven't been watching him or don't know anything about boxing.

Taylor is the goods.

[BoloShot]

Taylor is the best 140 lber in the world, he already beat the 2nd best. Ramirez got out boxed by Zepeda and Postol

This. Zepeda and Postol beat him but hometown scoring saved his ass.