Luis Ortiz just seems like a "lesser povetkin" to me

[Earl-Hickey]

Wtf lol

Ortiz has the best movement of any heavyweight since Ali, and the combination punching of Tyson with the power of Foreman.

Povetkin is just like a random dude, Ortiz is in the discussion of greatest heavyweights of all time.

[daggum]

ortiz is the greatest. the only man to ever beat him was the great wilder who was only beaten by spiked breland water

[TheCell8]

Luiz Ortiz is an excellent fighter, as is Povetkin. Both are at the top of the HW division.

[daggum]

Luiz Ortiz is an excellent fighter, as is Povetkin. Both are at the top of the HW division.

thats pretty mean. povetkin has a resume that is what 5? 10 times better? both excellent. nuance...not your strong suit

[Earl-Hickey]

thats pretty mean. povetkin has a resume that is what 5? 10 times better? both excellent. nuance...not your strong suit

Yeah but Ortiz ko'd Bryant jennings which is a top 10 ATG win at heavyweight.

[SkiPete]

Yeah, to weigh in on this one povetkin = olympic medalist, Ortiz = never even went to the olympics, povetkin=former title holder, ortiz = no title holder. Compare opposition and wins Povetkin better in both of those as well. No metric says Ortiz is better. I just can't see a case.

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Wtf lol

Ortiz has the best movement of any heavyweight since Ali, and the combination punching of Tyson with the power of Foreman.

Povetkin is just like a random dude, Ortiz is in the discussion of greatest heavyweights of all time.

Jokes aside, i remember when a lot of guys on here were calling Ortiz a killer when he was unbeaten.

[YoungManRumble]

You sure love yourself some Povetkin hey?

[REDEEMER]

Ortiz may have defeated Povetkin 6 years ago but we’ll never know .

No top fighter has ever actually fought a prime Ortiz that ship sailed so we can only go on resumes which indicates if they fought Povetkin is the favored.

[Zaroku]

Ortiz is very good and maybe if he was able to take another path he would have been able to do as much as Povetkin, but he hasn't. Povetkin is on a higher level career wise to me - if he earns another shot he is approaching being one of the most notable names of recent era, doesn't he? He was somewhat underrated right before Whyte, maybe some people giving his career a relook especially if he wins again. I'm not the biggest HW historian but it would seem like a big feat.

I feel bad that Ortiz didn't get to show more in his youth

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