Chris Mannix SCHOOLS Max Kellerman About Why Canelo is #1 P4P, NOT Crawford

[Lance98]

How is that a schooling? Canelo has not even fought the the other top guys at his weight class. You can make the argument for crawford, but at least crawford tries to get the tough fights. At 154, canelo only fought lara in a controversial fight, never fought the charlos and andrade at 154 AND 160 ibs, never fought super MWs like caleb plant and benavidez, never fought LHWs like bivol and beterbiev. He carefully selected names that suit his style and when they were not at their prime like ggg and kovalev. I would say that canelo's biggest win since moving up from 154 ibs was against jacobs and a washed ggg. I wouldn't put the kovalev fight as a good win as kovalev was given short notice and kovalev wasn't even trying to win.

Crawford was an undisputed champ and dominated the division he was in which canelo hasn't done yet, and when crawford moved up to 147 ibs, he has been dominating everyone that was put in front of him. When it comes to skills, crawford is way ahead of canelo. He has far more tools, better fight IQ and can switch stances. I feel that skills is a very important component of a pound-for-pound fighter and cleaning out a division.

In my opinion, you could make arguments for both guys, but crawford should be the no.1 pound-for-pound fighter. Canelo never cleaned out any division like crawford did. That alone puts canelo lower IMO.

[El_Mero]

"At The End Of The Day", Canelo has the best resume in the game. Everything else is an excuse.



...I'm sorry, did you just say Crawford has no asterisks?

He has nothing BUT asterisks at 147 and a few at 140 while we're at it.

Or did you forget that

- Jose Benavidez had ONE leg and still damn near took Crawford the distance (asterisk)

- Crawford faked a hand injury before the Horn fight and refused to fight him in Australia. He was caught taking pictures of the Top Rank girls with that hand, no wrap, no bandage, nothing a day later. Horn's camp asked for the doctor's note, Crawford refused. Why? Because it was fake to delay Horn's camp timing and throw him off after difficult travel overseas. (asterisk) Worse - NSB doesn't believe Horn beat Manny, so if you buy that, then (asterisk).

- Crawford got jabbed to hell by a version of Khan that was not far removed from almost getting killed by Canelo in the ring (asterisk), couldn't spark the alleged glass chin, then tossed a low blow out of frustration. (asterisk). PPV so poor they haven't done another since for him (asterisk).

- Kavaliauskas two-pieced, wobbled and dropped Crawford (asterisk).

- Brook basically won every round with nothing but a jab. A completely past it, disinterested, non-energetic version that was damaged already by Spence and Golovkin (asterisk).

Come on bro. You know better than that.



You and Rexy are not hearing what Mannix is properly saying.

Talent and skill can only be measured against top fighters who are actually a threat to you.

Crawford has faced no such threat.

You're basing your 'eye test' against performances against bums, which is why you guys keep upping Berlanga who's sparking bums too.

You need to measure against THREATS. Canelo has faced threats, whether you agree or not, he has, definitely compared to Crawford, and he has surpassed all of them. Thus, the quality of who he's surpassed has been so much better than ANYONE Crawford has beat that there's no logic in the 'eye test' for him yet.

That's why he needs to fight someone like Porter or Keef so he can truly be evaluated.

Until then he's just another fighter looking fancy against C-levels (BoMac called them that too).

Dont assume thats how i think, just showing you what Ali said. I coukd give 2 ****s what either mannix or kellerman think.

[TheCell8]

I agree with Max here. The eye test matters. If Resumes were the only thing that mattered, then Pacquiao would be P4P no.1. We know he's clearly not.

Terence Crawford passes the eye test.

[Combat Talk Radio]

How is that a schooling? Canelo has not even fought the the other top guys at his weight class.

Bro he literally just got done stopping the LINEAL CHAMPION reign at 168.

[BritishBoxing92]

Interesting to see/hear something from Kellerman for a change maybe it's just me but I ain't seen much from the guy lately even if he was corrected on the p4p rankings..

Also on a side note didn't recognize porter at first with the new hair do.....kind off got an Afro Man thing going

[Cobratu]

How is that a schooling? Canelo has not even fought the the other top guys at his weight class. You can make the argument for crawford, but at least crawford tries to get the tough fights. At 154, canelo only fought lara in a controversial fight, never fought the charlos and andrade at 154 AND 160 ibs, never fought super MWs like caleb plant and benavidez, never fought LHWs like bivol and beterbiev. He carefully selected names that suit his style and when they were not at their prime like ggg and kovalev. I would say that canelo's biggest win since moving up from 154 ibs was against jacobs and a washed ggg. I wouldn't put the kovalev fight as a good win as kovalev was given short notice and kovalev wasn't even trying to win.

Crawford was an undisputed champ and dominated the division he was in which canelo hasn't done yet, and when crawford moved up to 147 ibs, he has been dominating everyone that was put in front of him. When it comes to skills, crawford is way ahead of canelo. He has far more tools, better fight IQ and can switch stances. I feel that skills is a very important component of a pound-for-pound fighter and cleaning out a division.

In my opinion, you could make arguments for both guys, but crawford should be the no.1 pound-for-pound fighter. Canelo never cleaned out any division like crawford did. That alone puts canelo lower IMO.

People like you are what’s wrong with boxing you know damn well Crawford ain’t face nobody worth a damn he’s nearly 35 and has done squat.

Canelo has faced and beaten the best around and his resume easily eclipses everyone else in the sport today not named Pacquiao.

Just be honest tell the truth why you don’t “have” canelo at #1? We all know why a certain demographic doesn’t want to admit canelo is #1 and it has nothing to do with boxing.

Canelo is king plain and simple but I guess non black fans should start living in a fantasy world to next time a black fight is considered a legit p4p #1 we’ll be sure to base it off race just like most black fans are doing.

This is the mess you clowns are causing.

[Roadblock]

Max is hanging on a thread, he is basing it on his belief TC could do it not on an actual doing as Canelo has, Max is holding on to his opinion with no in ring basis to legitimize it, he says in one breath TC has been more dominate and in the next breath he says Canelo has the better resume and fought better guys, doesnt that stand to reason TC would be more dominate against lessor opponents .

I dont think anyone in the game is on Canelos level right now based on the real now not what might be .

Both great fighters I have no favorite dog in this I like them both.

[Scopedog]

I (somewhat reluctantly) think Canelo's the no. 1 but let's not pretend that Chris Mannix is somehow credible now because he holds this one extremely commonly held belief. The guy's a grade-A tool, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Even if I agree with Mannix over Kellerman over this one thing, I still think Kellerman's a far more respectable authority on the sport 99 times out of 100.

[Lance98]

People like you are what’s wrong with boxing you know damn well Crawford ain’t face nobody worth a damn he’s nearly 35 and has done squat.

Canelo has faced and beaten the best around and his resume easily eclipses everyone else in the sport today not named Pacquiao.

Just be honest tell the truth why you don’t “have” canelo at #1? We all know why a certain demographic doesn’t want to admit canelo is #1 and it has nothing to do with boxing.

Canelo is king plain and simple but I guess non black fans should start living in a fantasy world to next time a black fight is considered a legit p4p #1 we’ll be sure to base it off race just like most black fans are doing.

This is the mess you clowns are causing.

Stop being a sensitive female, bringing up race to suit your 1-dimensional fangirl agenda, clown. By the way, I am not even a black, dummy. What mess did I create with my 2 cents opinion, you softie? Did I hurt your feelings over the internet? I am not sorry, so deal with it. Get some tampons while you are at it, my dear. Unlike you, I don't have any emotional attachment to any boxer. Grow up and grow a spine.

Bro he literally just got done stopping the LINEAL CHAMPION at 168.

Haha, "stopped the lineal champ". He could not even KO the guy who basically laid an egg for him. Callum is not even the best at 168 ibs. He is a british level belt holder. Please know your boxing before posting fanboy comments with weak talking points to me.

[-Kev-]

Kellerman said Canelo has shown a variety of styles against different sized opponents and has shown a great chin. Then he says Crawford can do it too. I’m sorry but the last time I saw Canelo visibly hurt was when he was 19. I have seen Crawford visibly hurt a couple of times now. Like stanky legs hurt. In his prime, vs mediocre/smaller opponents. I’ve seen Canelo take power punches from the likes of GGG, Jacobs, Kovalev, Smith, and take it with relative ease. So I would not say Crawford has a good chin. Actually it’s very possible that his chin gets cracked if he fights Porter, Spence or even Pacquiao.

And honestly boxing analysts need to stop the eye test bullsh.t. Crawford looks amazing vs C class, aging, or non top 10 boxers but can he look amazing vs Spence, Porter, Pacquiao, Thurman, or Ugas?

Khan and Brook weren’t top 10 when he fought them. So he looks amazing vs fighters who used to be considered good.