Chris Mannix SCHOOLS Max Kellerman About Why Canelo is #1 P4P, NOT Crawford

[_Rexy_]

"At The End Of The Day", Canelo has the best resume in the game. Everything else is an excuse.



...I'm sorry, did you just say Crawford has no asterisks?

He has nothing BUT asterisks at 147 and a few at 140 while we're at it.

Or did you forget that

- Jose Benavidez had ONE leg and still damn near took Crawford the distance (asterisk)

- Crawford faked a hand injury before the Horn fight and refused to fight him in Australia. He was caught taking pictures of the Top Rank girls with that hand, no wrap, no bandage, nothing a day later. Horn's camp asked for the doctor's note, Crawford refused. Why? Because it was fake to delay Horn's camp timing and throw him off after difficult travel overseas. (asterisk) Worse - NSB doesn't believe Horn beat Manny, so if you buy that, then (asterisk).

- Crawford got jabbed to hell by a version of Khan that was not far removed from almost getting killed by Canelo in the ring (asterisk), couldn't spark the alleged glass chin, then tossed a low blow out of frustration. (asterisk). PPV so poor they haven't done another since for him (asterisk).

- Kavaliauskas two-pieced, wobbled and dropped Crawford (asterisk).

- Brook basically won every round with nothing but a jab. A completely past it, disinterested, non-energetic version that was damaged already by Spence and Golovkin (asterisk).

Come on bro. You know better than that.



You and Rexy are not hearing what Mannix is properly saying.

Talent and skill can only be measured against top fighters who are actually a threat to you.

Crawford has faced no such threat.

You're basing your 'eye test' against performances against bums, which is why you guys keep upping Berlanga who's sparking bums too.

You need to measure against THREATS. Canelo has faced threats, whether you agree or not, he has, definitely compared to Crawford, and he has surpassed all of them. Thus, the quality of who he's surpassed has been so much better than ANYONE Crawford has beat that there's no logic in the 'eye test' for him yet.

That's why he needs to fight someone like Porter or Keef so he can truly be evaluated.

Until then he's just another fighter looking fancy against C-levels (BoMac called them that too).

I get it, you don't like Crawford. You're mad that he destroyed Horn, but this is really too ****** to even counter.

And low PPV sales is an asterisk? Do you know what an asterisk is?

[El_Maldito_Rey]

I'd take the opinion of Max Kellerman over Chris ****ing Mannix


And if you're gonna go on about resume, then you should also bring up the asterisks. Catchweights, Hydration Clauses, etc. Crawford has none. Inoue has none, Beterbiev has none, Bivol has none, Lomachenko has one (where he went down) Spence has none, Ioka has none, Estrada has none, Chocolatito has none...

Canelo has ten.

Lets talk about resume and big wins

Crawford has nome, Beterbiev has none, Bivol has none, Inoue has none, Loma has maybe one, Spence has none, Ioka has none, Estrada has none, Chocolatito has one.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I get it, you don't like Crawford. You're mad that he destroyed Horn, but this is really too ****** to even counter.

And low PPV sales is an asterisk? Do you know what an asterisk is?

I hit you with nothing but facts and you went female on me.

That's disheartening coming from you.

You don't like the facts. Mannix broke them down perfectly as did others in this thread, especially El_Maldito_Rey and you still ignore it.

Why?

You're a Crawford fanboy who refuses to accept the truth about your frustration over his failure at 147.

Do you. But not here.

[Albanianboxing]

Canelo Alvarez is the best fighter in Boxing.

[icha]

you can easily argue crawford is not even the best at 147...

[kushking]

you can easily argue crawford is not even the best at 147...

There's no need to argue,Spence is miles better than Crawford at ww. It amazes me that the p4p debate is not between Spence & Canelo as opposed to Bud & Canelo.

Its hilarious that you got Kellerman trying to justify his waterboying for Bud while using the eye test argument, Because even if eye test is considered,not only would Canelo beat Crawford if they were the same division,but Spence passes the eye test much better than Crawford whos shook to even fight Porter,let alone Spence unless he cashes in undeservingly for his 0. (He wants 60-40 his favor or 50-50 which is stillcrazy)

Hell I think Bud doesn't even want smoke with Garcia or Ugas even.

Bottom line is its hilarious at this point how careerlong Canelo detractors/ggg cheerleaders like Kellerman still continue moving goalposts to even have an argument against Canelo being p4p#1.

I can go through Crawfords accomplishments & they'd pale in comparison to whipping Laras ass,Trout let alone Canelo beating ggg,2 lbs advantage Jacobs,Smith & 200 lbs Kov along with several lesser champs who were still better than Indongo.
Prove me wrong haters

[kushking]

Isn't it ironic that the same ppl arguing "eye test" for Bud are the same ones that keep ggg in their top p4p & Loma too...

[djtmal]

"At The End Of The Day", Canelo has the best resume in the game. Everything else is an excuse.



...I'm sorry, did you just say Crawford has no asterisks?

He has nothing BUT asterisks at 147 and a few at 140 while we're at it.

Or did you forget that

- Jose Benavidez had ONE leg and still damn near took Crawford the distance (asterisk)

- Crawford faked a hand injury before the Horn fight and refused to fight him in Australia. He was caught taking pictures of the Top Rank girls with that hand, no wrap, no bandage, nothing a day later. Horn's camp asked for the doctor's note, Crawford refused. Why? Because it was fake to delay Horn's camp timing and throw him off after difficult travel overseas. (asterisk) Worse - NSB doesn't believe Horn beat Manny, so if you buy that, then (asterisk).

- Crawford got jabbed to hell by a version of Khan that was not far removed from almost getting killed by Canelo in the ring (asterisk), couldn't spark the alleged glass chin, then tossed a low blow out of frustration. (asterisk). PPV so poor they haven't done another since for him (asterisk).

- Kavaliauskas two-pieced, wobbled and dropped Crawford (asterisk).

- Brook basically won every round with nothing but a jab. A completely past it, disinterested, non-energetic version that was damaged already by Spence and Golovkin (asterisk).

Come on bro. You know better than that.



You and Rexy are not hearing what Mannix is properly saying.

Talent and skill can only be measured against top fighters who are actually a threat to you.

Crawford has faced no such threat.

You're basing your 'eye test' against performances against bums, which is why you guys keep upping Berlanga who's sparking bums too.

You need to measure against THREATS. Canelo has faced threats, whether you agree or not, he has, definitely compared to Crawford, and he has surpassed all of them. Thus, the quality of who he's surpassed has been so much better than ANYONE Crawford has beat that there's no logic in the 'eye test' for him yet.

That's why he needs to fight someone like Porter or Keef so he can truly be evaluated.

Until then he's just another fighter looking fancy against C-levels (BoMac called them that too).

Ok well then he trying to be like your boy Floyd. Put a bunch of names on paper with no substance, and see how impressive it looks

[kushking]

Spence has also now fought better comp at ww than Bud at any weight. The same ppl saying eye test to justify Buds p4p,use Bud beating paper champ Indongo as a stick to beat Spence with & rate Spence lower p4p.. And when challenged on the subject Bud fans say"why do you care about p4p so much" I answer:"Because p4p defines fighters careers,even if they didn't deserve to have their career defined by being p4p over other fighters who then are remembered as supposedly lesser fighters"

[Combat Talk Radio]

Ok well then he trying to be like your boy Floyd. Put a bunch of names on paper with no substance, and see how impressive it looks

No substance?

Chicanito Hernandez ALONE destroys everyone Crawford has fought.