Lomachenko should be 30-0 and no. 1 p4p

[Punch on Tap]

He really never looked impressive after leaving 130.

I’ll agree and I understand it’s hard as a smaller guy moving up to look dominant. But if we are going to entertain the ATG status convo we also have to compare him to other cemented ATGs.

Meaning..look at how Floyd moved up and fought bigger guys his whole career and still dominated and almost never looked challenged.

Look at Manny! Dude fought so many dudes in the top ten of different weight classes and still looked dominant and not as vulnerable as Loma.

Look at the careers of Roy Jones, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Ray Leonard.

All these guys showed their other world greatness as they moved up.

I respect Loma and his father for shooting for greatness but unless he has a great second half of his career, he will not be mentioned among those names. That’s just the reality

[Punch on Tap]

He really never looked impressive after leaving 130.

I’ll agree and I understand it’s hard as a smaller guy moving up to look dominant. But if we are going to entertain the ATG status convo we also have to compare him to other cemented ATGs.

Meaning..look at how Floyd moved up and fought bigger guys his whole career and still dominated and almost never looked challenged.

Look at Manny! Dude fought so many dudes in the top ten of different weight classes and still looked dominant and not as vulnerable as Loma.

Comb through the careers and achievements of fighters like Roy Jones Jr, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Ray Leonard. These guys moved up multiple weight classes and had historic wins and fights.

I respect Loma and his father for shooting greatness but the reality of time will reveal that he fell short of the ATG goal. Great yes...but forgettable unless he is able to have a spectacular second half of his career.

[Boxing-1013]

I’ll agree and I understand it’s hard as a smaller guy moving up to look dominant. But if we are going to entertain the ATG status convo we also have to compare him to other cemented ATGs.

Meaning..look at how Floyd moved up and fought bigger guys his whole career and still dominated and almost never looked challenged.

Look at Manny! Dude fought so many dudes in the top ten of different weight classes and still looked dominant and not as vulnerable as Loma.

Look at the careers of Roy Jones, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Ray Leonard.

All these guys showed their other world greatness as they moved up.

I respect Loma and his father for shooting for greatness but unless he has a great second half of his career, he will not be mentioned among those names. That’s just the reality

To his credit, Loma hasn't been selective regarding who/when he fought guys as he moved up as well. Floyd and Manny wouldn't have fought someone like Teo in that situation. They would have stalled; say he hadn't earned it; etc etc.

[TheBoxGod]

I wouldn't say he was mismanaged, he accomplished what they set out to do,,,

Of course he could have had a more glamorous longevity career had he went the routine boxers route of 0-20 of prospect fights, 20-30 contender fights, 30+ money fights, but.... one thing we are all over looking is time is against him he spent most of his 20's as an amateur.

[Hustle]

Lomachenko should be 30-0 and no. 1 p4p

But he and his father insisted on mismanaging his career and this is the outcome you get when you do that.

Lomachenko should have fought six bums a year from 2014 to 2018 and stayed at 126.

He would have had a record of 25-0 before challenging for a title.

At the end of 2018, he could have fought Gary Russell (like he did) in a featherweight “super fight” to win his first title.

26-0 and top 10 P4P with that win, especially considering the amateur hype and the promoter.

At the beginning of 2019, he could have moved to 130 and picked off an easy win over a name champion, say a Tevin Farmer.

Wow he moved up in weight and won a title!

Further cements his place in the top 10 p4p at 27-0.

Then he just goes on a diet of losers twice a year while waiting for unification fights against Berchelt and Herring, who are both with the same network.

In 2021, he would be 30-0, near the top of everyone’s p4p list, if not at the very top and getting credit for fighting bigger men.

That’s a better reality than what he’s living now, right?

He made more money in 15 fights than he would have made in 30 fights using your bum blueprint.

[The D3vil]

Lomachenko should be 30-0 and no. 1 p4p

But he and his father insisted on mismanaging his career and this is the outcome you get when you do that.

Lomachenko should have fought six bums a year from 2014 to 2018 and stayed at 126.

He would have had a record of 25-0 before challenging for a title.

At the end of 2018, he could have fought Gary Russell (like he did) in a featherweight “super fight” to win his first title.

26-0 and top 10 P4P with that win, especially considering the amateur hype and the promoter.

At the beginning of 2019, he could have moved to 130 and picked off an easy win over a name champion, say a Tevin Farmer.

Wow he moved up in weight and won a title!

Further cements his place in the top 10 p4p at 27-0.

Then he just goes on a diet of losers twice a year while waiting for unification fights against Berchelt and Herring, who are both with the same network.

In 2021, he would be 30-0, near the top of everyone’s p4p list, if not at the very top and getting credit for fighting bigger men.

That’s a better reality than what he’s living now, right?

You're right and you're wrong.

Yes, Lomachenko could've taken the modern fighter route and did exactly what you said and be at the top of everybody's P4P list

But him and Anatoly did what fighters used to do, which is fight the toughest fighters who'd fight them and not duck people.

That means fighting a world class champion like Siri Salido in your 2nd fight and a P4P level talent like Gary Russell Jr. in your 3rd fight and fighting 15 consecutive championship fights.

The fact he hasn't cherrypicked and run up the margins on guys outside of the top 10 is why I respect him and Anatoly and why I don't respect so many undefeated fighters.

[RightJabLikeZab]

I wonder if the people who dislike him would be criticizing his resume if he went that route. Probably.

[PeepeePoopooMan]

Lomachenko shoulda never lost against salido. He got robbed. Salido was overweight, the ref was incompetent and just shoulda got the W. The lopez fight is different. He gave away to many rounds and lopez took the last round. It's annoying that people act like lopez put a schooling or ko'd loma. He just got a close decision.

[BigDramaShow!]

He would be 28-2 and will still lose to Salido and Lopez