Comments Thread For: The Greatest Encore: Ranking the Best Heavyweights Since Ali

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Boxing Scene? What do you mean? So a load of extreme bitter Americans say slanderous and demeaning things about him to play him down? What is new when it comes to British fighters? You insecure weirdos have done it for decades. All of it bullshlt that you get put in your place over. The internet is full of dumb Americans playing that game but getting put straight by Brits. You only have to follow me on here to see this. YT comments is full of it. You overate garbage and cast it down as the best when it's no such thing.

Where Robinson's highlights getting beaten by Turpin? Fullmer? Basillio? Of course not. Well, if you were poisonous and wanted to play someone down due to bitterness you'd say such reta3ded shlt. Congratulations.

Anyone saying Lennox's highlights is this is beyond desperate.
Accept it, he beat everyone of your guys and had them running like cowards. He'd beat every Heavy in history head2head. He has the best resume in history. Deal with it.

Holmes has a handful of good wins. I'm not dis*****g that. But i don't care about defences if they're against bums. Johnny Nelson made 15 defences of his Cruiserweight title. But guess what? They were against bums. So anyone with a few good wins gets rated higher by me. I'm all about substance, not statistics that have no real meat to them.

Holmes is also one of only a few to lose to a former LightHeavyweight champ.

His win over Ali is complete worthless. He was so shot he should never have been allowed in a boxing ring. The fact you bring that up as some kind of accomplishment for Holmes clearly shows how weak his resume is for so many world title fights. He also never unified either.

I know Rahman and Bruno are B level fighters. Most of every Fighters resume in history at world level is over B level fighters. But Marvis Frazier is C level. And you may want to check that Williams win out. The rest that are legit for Holmes, they're ALL B level wins. Not a single A level elite fighter there. To suggest so makes you incredibly delusional. But i already knew that after reading your shlte.

I will definitely give you that. A lot of Americans do hate on UK fighters. I will also admit outside of Fury, Lennox may be your best fighter. Even though he was born in Canada. I always hated on Lennox because I honestly feel his claim to fame was beating up on a old wash up Tyson. I did enjoy watching him get knocked out by rahmen. He probably is the most hated British boxer by Americans. I will definitely give you that. HOWEVER I will call a spade a spade. Wildier was and always was trash. Rod**** was a coward that ducked Lennox. Ricky Hatton was a above average fighter that lose to a prime Mayweather and prime Pac-Man who was and mostly likely on drugs.

However a lot of other British fighters I think are more higher ranked then they need to be and here is my list.

Lennox
Naseem
Eubanks
Benn

Outside of them four. I have no issues giving English fighters their Just do. I really don’t.

I like fury, AJ, Froch, Hatton, I honestly do like Benn, Frampton and a few others.

But Lennox just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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I will definitely give you that. A lot of Americans do hate on UK fighters. I will also admit outside of Fury, Lennox may be your best fighter. Even though he was born in Canada. I always hated on Lennox because I honestly feel his claim to fame was beating up on a old wash up Tyson. I did enjoy watching him get knocked out by rahmen. He probably is the most hated British boxer by Americans. I will definitely give you that. HOWEVER I will call a spade a spade. Wildier was and always was trash. Rod**** was a coward that ducked Lennox. Ricky Hatton was a above average fighter that lose to a prime Mayweather and prime Pac-Man who was and mostly likely on drugs.

However a lot of other British fighters I think are more higher ranked then they need to be and here is my list.

Lennox
Naseem
Eubanks
Benn

Outside of them four. I have no issues giving English fighters their Just do. I really don’t.

I like fury, AJ, Froch, Hatton, I honestly do like Benn, Frampton and a few others.

But Lennox just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Lennox was born and raised in London, England. He didn't move to Canada until he was 12 years old.

You like any American just hated watching him either force them to duck him, or get beat up by him. You can't hate a fighter who was willing to fight anyone at any time. That's a real fighter and champ. The boxing world would be in great hands if every fighter thought like him.

Hatton was a great fighter. Losing to prime Mayweather and Manny doesn't dispute that. He has wins over Kostya and Castillo amongst other good wins. It would be like calling Hearns above average for losing to Hagler and Leonard.

Benn, Naz and Eubank were legit great fighters with great resumes. That could never be disputed. Regardless of how you felt about them personally. But why Benn? I understand Naz and Eubank due to their personalities... But Benn? That i don't understand. Unless you believe the slander against him with the McClellan fight?

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Lennox was born and raised in London, England. He didn't move to Canada until he was 12 years old.

You like any American just hated watching him either force them to duck him, or get beat up by him. You can't hate a fighter who was willing to fight anyone at any time. That's a real fighter and champ. The boxing world would be in great hands if every fighter thought like him.

Hatton was a great fighter. Losing to prime Mayweather and Manny doesn't dispute that. He has wins over Kostya and Castillo amongst other good wins. It would be like calling Hearns above average for losing to Hagler and Leonard.

Benn, Naz and Eubank were legit great fighters with great resumes. That could never be disputed. Regardless of how you felt about them personally. But why Benn? I understand Naz and Eubank due to their personalities... But Benn? That i don't understand. Unless you believe the slander against him with the McClellan fight?

Kosyta was on his way out.

I can careless what happened in the McClellan fight. Things happen.

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Bowe, Fury and Wilder are too high.

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Kosyta was on his way out.

I can careless what happened in the McClellan fight. Things happen.

Kostya was 35, coming from a great performance after blowing Sharmba out in 3, and a big favourite to beat Hatton. Hatton was supposed to get destroyed. Now he was "On his way out"??

PLEASE.

Then why do you hate Benn then? In fact, give me the reasons for hating Naz and Eubank while you're there also.

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Kostya was 35, coming from a great performance after blowing Sharmba out in 3, and a big favourite to beat Hatton. Hatton was supposed to get destroyed. Now he was "On his way out"??

PLEASE.

Then why do you hate Benn then? In fact, give me the reasons for hating Naz and Eubank while you're there also.

Post Judah he definitely lost a step.

I don’t hate on Naz. He just didn’t fight creditable fighters through out his career and when he did get challenged he basically got folded and never returned to the ring.

Benn was subpar fighter who definitely rose to the occasion and outperform his abilities. I definitely give him that. he’s not nothing special. Eubanks is definitely the best out of the two, skill wise.

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Post Judah he definitely lost a step.

I don’t hate on Naz. He just didn’t fight creditable fighters through out his career and when he did get challenged he basically got folded and never returned to the ring.

Benn was subpar fighter who definitely rose to the occasion and outperform his abilities. I definitely give him that. he’s not nothing special. Eubanks is definitely the best out of the two, skill wise.

Kostya lost a step after Judah? You sure it wasn't just after his debut? Haha. He was absolute prime at that point. I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

Naz was a great fighter with a great resume....

Medina Great win
Bungu Great win
Johnson Great win
Ingle Good win
Kelley Good win
Soto Good win
Robinson Good win
Vasqeuz Good win
Hardy Good win
McCullough Good win
Badillo Good win

That's a great resume and HOF worthy right there. It shows your lack of knowledge if you think an ATG in Barrera was the only credible fighter he faced. That's like saying Hagler never fought anyone credible until Leonard and got folded and never returned to the ring.

The resume of Naz is also over twice as good as Holmes. It's insane and delusional to think otherwise.

To call an ATG "Subpar" is beyond a joke now. I'd prefer it if you were a troll because this is seriously disturbing. But that's what i've come to expect from Americans now.

Benn wasn't about skill. He was about being an animal who brought pain and destruction with one punch knock out power to amass an ATG resume. To dispute it goes beyond the rational. Benn, Naz and Lewis not only put the resume of Holmes in the shade, they reveal it to be nothing but child's play. Holmes was never good enough to achieve what they did. That was very clear. Having the physical skill doesn't make you great, your capabilities to win at world level does time and time again. But if it was nothing but style, then Andre Dirrell is better all time than Sugar Ray Robinson. See how insane it is?

Sorry, but i'm ending this mad discussion. This is too much.

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Kostya lost a step after Judah? You sure it wasn't just after his debut? Haha. He was absolute prime at that point. I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

Naz was a great fighter with a great resume....

Medina Great win
Bungu Great win
Johnson Great win
Ingle Good win
Kelley Good win
Soto Good win
Robinson Good win
Vasqeuz Good win
Hardy Good win
McCullough Good win
Badillo Good win

That's a great resume and HOF worthy right there. It shows your lack of knowledge if you think an ATG in Barrera was the only credible fighter he faced. That's like saying Hagler never fought anyone credible until Leonard and got folded and never returned to the ring.

The resume of Naz is also over twice as good as Holmes. It's insane and delusional to think otherwise.

To call an ATG "Subpar" is beyond a joke now. I'd prefer it if you were a troll because this is seriously disturbing. But that's what i've come to expect from Americans now.

Benn wasn't about skill. He was about being an animal who brought pain and destruction with one punch knock out power to amass an ATG resume. To dispute it goes beyond the rational. Benn, Naz and Lewis not only put the resume of Holmes in the shade, they reveal it to be nothing but child's play. Holmes was never good enough to achieve what they did. That was very clear. Having the physical skill doesn't make you great, your capabilities to win at world level does time and time again. But if it was nothing but style, then Andre Dirrell is better all time than Sugar Ray Robinson. See how insane it is?

Sorry, but i'm ending this mad discussion. This is too much.

Good. Because I was going to ask how many of those fighters outside barrea are in the hall of fame.

35 is never any boxers “prime”. Honestly, Judah would had took the count. There’s no telling if he couldn’t had went on to bear Kostya. He definitely had the skills to do it. He only had 3-4 fights after Judah. If you are going to tell me Ricky beaten a prime kosyta. Yea I am done lol.

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Good. Because I was going to ask how many of those fighters outside barrea are in the hall of fame.

35 is never any boxers “prime”. Honestly, Judah would had took the count. There’s no telling if he couldn’t had went on to bear Kostya. He definitely had the skills to do it. He only had 3-4 fights after Judah. If you are going to tell me Ricky beaten a prime kosyta. Yea I am done lol.

I didn't say he was prime. But he was only slightly past it. It was still a legit great win. 35 isn't old. And especially when you're firing the way Kos was in his fight beforehand when he wiped out Sharmba.

So anyone who isn't in the HOF, isn't world class? Are you serious? Actually, don't answer that.

Who is in the HOF on Holmes' resume? And is actually worthy of being there? So don't bring in Norton's name. He isn't even close to being worthy. But then again, the vast majority of the US and Mexican fighters there do not belong. Not by a long shot.

And make sure they're not 35 or more considering your opinion on fighters at this age.

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I didn't say he was prime. But he was only slightly past it. It was still a legit great win. 35 isn't old. And especially when you're firing the way Kos was in his fight beforehand when he wiped out Sharmba.

So anyone who isn't in the HOF, isn't world class? Are you serious? Actually, don't answer that.

Who is in the HOF on Holmes' resume? And is actually worthy of being there? So don't bring in Norton's name. He isn't even close to being worthy. But then again, the vast majority of the US and Mexican fighters there do not belong. Not by a long shot.

And make sure they're not 35 or more considering your opinion on fighters at this age.

Ok so now we are back Holm’s resume. Oddly enough that brings us back to Lennox Lewis resume debate. So let’s run down both of their resumes with HOF fighters which can’t include people over 35 ( since that was the kos debate stand point). Funny enough Holyfield and Tyson were both 35 when they fought Lennox.

Nobody that’s in the HOF is on Lennox resume outside of your scope of rules. I mean Klitschko will be there in time but he isn’t there yet lol. And guess what he barley made it too. Kilts was 32 when he fought Lennox Lmaoo

Well for Holm’s.

Spinks
Spinks
Berbick
Earnie Shavers
Cooney ( I believe )
Ray Mercer ( I believe )
I didn’t include Ali or Norton

As for Lennox once we take away Tyson and Holyfield since they were 35. Lennox resume really doesn’t have any HOF fighters.


Wow this debate really came full circle. Thank you for this. It was like Ali’s rope a dope