2008 Cotto vs. Mayweather

[The Big Dunn]

Credible polls are people whose boxing history starts and ends with Floyd.

Floyd being too small for mw is a cop out excuse and confirms how much of a low risk cherrypicker he was.
Top 10 atg Duran started at lw and climbed up to 168, and even Oscar started at lightweight and took a risk and fought a true all time great in Hopkins @ 160. Whats Floyd's excuse you mean he couldn't find a past prime name brand mw shot enough make a fight with.

According to Shane he called Floyd personally when Floyd was at 130 and he was at 135 about a fight which Floyd declined. That was waaay before Shane talked about a toothache.
There is a published interview on that which Floyd never denied.

Shane and Cotto said after their fight they both wanted Floyd next, which Cotto won, called out Floyd, but Floyd fought Hatton then said no I am retired and went on a two year vacation.

People try to make so much of Shane saying he needed a break after 2 hard fights with Vargas but want to excuse Floyds two year vacation ducking Shane, Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams in the process. Larry Merchant asked Floyd about the whole division and he said he was retiring/becoming a promotor, etc. You said it was because his hands was hurting remember that.

You can't argue with dates facts and figures Shane was out of the ring 1.5 years between Margarito and Floyd. Shane was already 38 and ring worn. How much credit you want for Floyd beating a shopworn pushing 40 Shane Mosley. You cats harp on people wanting to see Floyd fight somebody other than a slow, flat footed short armed latin guy because thats the only thing you really got. Floyd's cherrypicking got so bad he digressed to a badly faded Andre Berto over young lion like Keith Thurman.

Duran went to mw and smw because he didn’t keep himself in shape. You are basically criticizing Floyd for being in shape and not partying, eating and drinking his way to bigger weight classes like Duran.

Please post this. What year? Never heard of this. But let’s say it’s true. You’re criticizing him for not going to 135 to fight Shane when he was at 130 and not in his prime. Lmfao.

No Floyd said it was because his hands were hurt. There are videos posted to this site about that which you’ve seen. All you do is deny it because it doesn’t fit into your agenda. Larry also clowned Shane about the toothache but I guess you forgot.

You called for Shane to fight Floyd next. He fought him 6 months after you made the thread. If you are going to continue to lie it only makes you look bad.

Floyd had just defeated manny. So he took a cash grab to end the sho contract and position himself for the his next fight. It’s the same thing manny did with the jmm 4 fight. Floyd just didn’t get knocked out.

Manny fought Thurman because the loss to Floyd and then the loss to Horn had lowered him a bit. He needed to make money and he took the Thurman fight. Kudos to him for winning.

That fight showed he wasn’t as shot as you try to make him out when he lost to Floyd.

He just got beat by a better man. No shame in losing to the best fighter you ever faced.

[djtmal]

Duran went to mw and smw because he didn’t keep himself in shape. You are basically criticizing Floyd for being in shape and not partying, eating and drinking his way to bigger weight classes like Duran.

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So, by your logic, if a non in shape former lightweight like Duran can climb that high and beat champs, again, what is in shape Floyd's excuse.

I'm sorry man this has got to be one of the biggest excuses somebody made for Floyd to date.

[whollisboxing]

if a past prime cotto and already destroyed by pac and margarito gave floyd a very tough fight then a 2008 would have easily beat floyd.

So you think Floyd in 2008 was the same as Floyd in 2012?

[whollisboxing]

Floyd won 8/4 and had trouble early. I seem to remember Cotto bloodying him up.
Mayweather eventually took it too him and took over the fight but Cotto was competitive.
Sickens me when people make it out like Mayweather “washed him” just like when they suggest he “washed” Pacquiao

Exactly. It was a competitive fight and to say otherwise is just disrespectful to Cotto.

As for 2008, I think we see a fight similar to what we witnessed in 2012 but a half-step faster. Both would have been lighter on their feet and I see a highly competitive fight for 7-8 rounds until Floyd takes over with superior stamina.

[whollisboxing]

Cotto make floyd bloodied and that was a past prime bloated cotto imagine if that was a 2008 version of cotto? Floyd would not only be bloodied but probably ko.

So do you think Floyd in 2008 was the same as Floyd in 2012?

[The Big Dunn]

So, by your logic, if a non in shape former lightweight like Duran can climb that high and beat champs, again, what is in shape Floyd's excuse.

I'm sorry man this has got to be one of the biggest excuses somebody made for Floyd to date.

Now you’re just being dumb for argument sake. You’re like the idiots in this board that criticize hagler, bhop or ggg for staying in shape and not going up.

Duran went up for the same reason Broner fights at 147, over indulging in *******, beer and food make it hard for you to maintain your weight.

If you use staying in shape and not gaining weight to criticize Floyd for not moving to MW you’re an imbecile.

[djtmal]

Now you’re just being dumb for argument sake. You’re like the idiots in this board that criticize hagler, bhop or ggg for staying in shape and not going up.

Duran went up for the same reason Broner fights at 147, over indulging in *******, beer and food make it hard for you to maintain your weight.

If you use staying in shape and not gaining weight to criticize Floyd for not moving to MW you’re an imbecile.

I don't care what reason Duran has for going up to 160 and 168 and beating guys. It serves as another reason why Floyd isn't no higher than top 30 all time. Floyd was not willing to take the necessary risks.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Does it matter?

Because in all these hypothetical matchups it always comes down to the following.

Mayweather chose not to take a tough fight that people saw as 50/50 and instead chose to avoid that fighter until he had seen enough decline.

So these "hypothetical " match ups never could happen even in fantasy

Cotto was actually peaking in 07 when Floyd retired after the Hatton fight. Some may say it was intentional, as that retirement came in the year the division what at its hottest in years. He may have wanted to wait till the smoke cleared (which it definitely was by the time he fought them). It was the year Williams and Margarito fought, Clottey was lingering etc. It was a great division.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Been a while since I seen the fight, but I remember Cotto's jab pestering Floyd a bit and busting his nose with it, and this was Cotto post Margarito and Pac beatings. I think the Cotto that smoked Quintana and out boxed Mosley, would be in a 50/50 fight vs Floyd. People forget that before those beatings (with 1 being questionable with Margarito), Cottos punch resistance was a lot better and he didn't fade down the stretch as bad or cut so easily. He was more consistent in the ring

[The Big Dunn]

I don't care what reason Duran has for going up to 160 and 168 and beating guys. It serves as another reason why Floyd isn't no higher than top 30 all time. Floyd was not willing to take the necessary risks.

It has no bearing on his ranking what so ever. He is higher than top 30 on many polls. Top 15-25.

You seem to think being ranked one of the top 15-25 boxers of all time is a bad thing. That is just ******.

Then you’re making some ridiculous claim that fighting and beating 2 guys earlier than he did beat them and beating a dude that will not make the hof would somehow elevate him into the top 10. That is asinine.