2008 Cotto vs. Mayweather

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You know how this goes. Anyone that doesn't like Floyd will either post Cotto wins or will post some dumb sh-t about Floyd ducked or wouldn't take the fight. This is the only way they can lessen Floyd's career since he finished undefeated and has been voted best of his generation by every credible media outlet.

You don't have to not like Floyd to just keep it a buck and say when a prime, undefeated Cotto called him out, Floyd was either retired or on vacation for 2 years, and obviously didn't hear the phone, and by the time Floyd did hear it, Cotto was already mangled by Manny and Margarito.

Floyd did a good enough job of lessoning the validity of his own career by the choices he made. Not his haters.

[The Big Dunn]

You don't have to not like Floyd to just keep it a buck and say when a prime, undefeated Cotto called him out, Floyd was either retired or on vacation for 2 years, and obviously didn't hear the phone, and by the time Floyd did hear it, Cotto was already mangled by Manny and Margarito.

Floyd did a good enough job of lessoning the validity of his own career by the choices he made. Not his haters.

Floyd is ranked higher than Manny on every credible list of ATG fighters, is a 1st ballot HOF'er in a class with Wlad and Ward, and is recognized as the best of his generation by every credible boxing media outlet/site there is. He in no way has lessened the validity of his career.

The people who attempt to lessen the validity of his career are irrational posters, such as yourself, who are fans of Fishnets and Manny or who simply hate Floyd.

You guys do this because picking him to lose fantasy fights or elevating guys he didn't fight and picking them to beat him is the only ammunition you have against him.

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Floyd is ranked higher than Manny on every credible list of ATG fighters, is a 1st ballot HOF'er in a class with Wlad and Ward, and is recognized as the best of his generation by every credible boxing media outlet/site there is. He in no way has lessened the validity of his career.

The people who attempt to lessen the validity of his career are irrational posters, such as yourself, who are fans of Fishnets and Manny or who simply hate Floyd.

You guys do this because picking him to lose fantasy fights or elevating guys he didn't fight and picking them to beat him is the only ammunition you have against him.

Hate to bust your bubble but Manny is ranked higher than Floyd on credible lists as well.

Floyd would have been a better lock on top ten all time lists arguably up there with srr and srl @ ww, had he not cherrypicked the second half of his career.

Big Dunn 55,000 plus poster dedicated to defending Floyd at all costs calling anyone who differs in opinion irrational is truly the pot calling the kettle black, as if a fan of Manny and Oscar can't possibly be a Floyd fan.

[The Big Dunn]

Hate to bust your bubble but Manny is ranked higher than Floyd on credible lists as well.

Floyd would have been a better lock on top ten all time lists arguably up there with srr and srl @ ww, had he not cherrypicked the second half of his career.

Big Dunn 55,000 plus poster dedicated to defending Floyd at all costs calling anyone who differs in opinion irrational is truly the pot calling the kettle black, as if a fan of Manny and Oscar can't possibly be a Floyd fan.

No Manny isn't. There may be individual people who rank him above, but in all cumulative, credible rankings Floyd is ahead.

Your 2nd paragraph makes no sense. The credible media sites that rank fighters have Floyd in the top 20-25. Suggesting beating Manny or Cotto earlier would move him up is really you trying to make Manny better than he is.

Having a different opinion than mine is fine. Picking guys that are inferior to Floyd to beat him in fantasy fights is about something else. You know it but will never admit it.

[djtmal]

No Manny isn't. There may be individual people who rank him above, but in all cumulative, credible rankings Floyd is ahead.

Your 2nd paragraph makes no sense. The credible media sites that rank fighters have Floyd in the top 20-25. Suggesting beating Manny or Cotto earlier would move him up is really you trying to make Manny better than he is.

Having a different opinion than mine is fine. Picking guys that are inferior to Floyd to beat him in fantasy fights is about something else. You know it but will never admit it.

I've already pulled up "credible" sources no need to go down that road again. Manny has credible sources, ex-boxers, scribes, etc. that put him ahead of Floyd all-time. They all can't be haters.

Its a reason why Floyd is undefeated, yet only can manage top 30 all-time. Its because he took the easy road and did too much cherrypicking. Srl cherrypicked but not to the extreme that Floyd did. Absolutely Floyd's resume is far more credible had he beat the best guys in their prime only a die hard Floyd fan would try to convince anyone otherwise.

[The Big Dunn]

I've already pulled up "credible" sources no need to go down that road again. Manny has credible sources, ex-boxers, scribes, etc. that put him ahead of Floyd all-time. They all can't be haters.

Its a reason why Floyd is undefeated, yet only can manage top 30 all-time. Its because he took the easy road and did too much cherrypicking. Srl cherrypicked but not to the extreme that Floyd did. Absolutely Floyd's resume is far more credible had he beat the best guys in their prime only a die hard Floyd fan would try to convince anyone otherwise.

I already said there are individual people who say that but in credible polls of multiple people Floyd always finishes ahead. At no point did I claim they were haters.

Floyd is top 20-25 all time because of the era he fought in. Only people like you have the opinion that beating the same guys earlier would elevate Floyd on the ATG list. Even when Floyd fights guys when he "should have", you find a way to denigrate it.

For example, you're the poster that called on Floyd to fight Shane because you thought Shane would win. Floyd fought him the next fight out. After Floyd won, you criticized the win saying Shane was too old and shot even though you had just called for the fight.

That shows what you're really about when it comes to evaluating Floyd's career.

edit: the other thing you do is blame Floyd for people not fighting him. We saw that with Manny. You've also done that with Shane and ODH.

You will lie about Manny refusing to fight Floyd, then use that to elevate Manny by claiming he was so tough and great that Floyd was afraid to fight him.

Then when ODH and Shane actually refuse to fight Floyd, you don't use that to elevate Floyd but instead to lower him for not "fighting them in their prime".

That is hypocritical and irrational and again shows, without a shadow of a doubt, what you're agenda is when it comes to evaluating Floyd's career.

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I already said there are individual people who say that but in credible polls of multiple people Floyd always finishes ahead. At no point did I claim they were haters.

Floyd is top 20-25 all time because of the era he fought in. Only people like you have the opinion that beating the same guys earlier would elevate Floyd on the ATG list. Even when Floyd fights guys when he "should have", you find a way to denigrate it.

For example, you're the poster that called on Floyd to fight Shane because you thought Shane would win. Floyd fought him the next fight out. After Floyd won, you criticized the win saying Shane was too old and shot even though you had just called for the fight.

That shows what you're really about when it comes to evaluating Floyd's career.

edit: the other thing you do is blame Floyd for people not fighting him. We saw that with Manny. You've also done that with Shane and ODH.

You will lie about Manny refusing to fight Floyd, then use that to elevate Manny by claiming he was so tough and great that Floyd was afraid to fight him.

Then when ODH and Shane actually refuse to fight Floyd, you don't use that to elevate Floyd but instead to lower him for not "fighting them in their prime".

That is hypocritical and irrational and again shows, without a shadow of a doubt, what you're agenda is when it comes to evaluating Floyd's career.

Credible poll - any poll that has Floyd ahead
Uncredible poll - any poll that has Manny ahead

Your running rant for anyone who comes with facts on Floyd cherrypicking resume is they are haters. We've seen it countless times including this thread. People who hate Floyd purposefully discredit him, despite the fact that he was the a-side and cherrypicked his own career post Hatton thats rich.

Floyd is top 30 all-time because he took the path of least resistance and cherrypicked too many times to be any higher. No more no less. Everyone from Max Kellerman to Mike Tyson says the same thing. All he had to do to prevent that is fight/beat the best guys in their prime and he did not do that, and nothing you say puts a band-aid on it.

I called on Floyd to fight Shane because the truth is Floyd was ducking him despite Shane getting in the ring to call him out I don't know wtf you are talking about. Floyd still took a year and a half to fight him, thats facts. Shane was pushing 40, had already been ravaged by Forrest, Winky, been in wars with Vargas and Cotto. Those are facts. I think that qualifies for waiting for a guy to become old and shot before fighting him.

I don't say a guy is the best of his generation because he beat the next best guy when he was over the hill. Of course you will because that really the only thing you have to hang on. Floyd being the best of a generation because he beat a Manny who already been ko'd by Marquez. Nah.

[The Big Dunn]

Credible poll - any poll that has Floyd ahead
Uncredible poll - any poll that has Manny ahead

Your running rant for anyone who comes with facts on Floyd cherrypicking resume is they are haters. We've seen it countless times including this thread. People who hate Floyd purposefully discredit him, despite the fact that he was the a-side and cherrypicked his own career post Hatton thats rich.

Floyd is top 30 all-time because he took the path of least resistance and cherrypicked too many times to be any higher. No more no less. Everyone from Max Kellerman to Mike Tyson says the same thing. All he had to do to prevent that is fight/beat the best guys in their prime and he did not do that, and nothing you say puts a band-aid on it.

I called on Floyd to fight Shane because the truth is Floyd was ducking him despite Shane getting in the ring to call him out I don't know wtf you are talking about. Floyd still took a year and a half to fight him, thats facts. Shane was pushing 40, had already been ravaged by Forrest, Winky, been in wars with Vargas and Cotto. Those are facts. I think that qualifies for waiting for a guy to become old and shot before fighting him.

I don't say a guy is the best of his generation because he beat the next best guy when he was over the hill. Of course you will because that really the only thing you have to hang on. Floyd being the best of a generation because he beat a Manny who already been ko'd by Marquez. Nah.

Credible polls are ones included on credible boxing sites that fans and media people respect. Not fringe BS sites.

I am talking about posters on this site.

The only way that Floyd could elevate himself is if he somehow were able to make it to 160. He was clearly too small for MW. If you want to hold that against his ranking, ok.

It was Shane that refused to fight Floyd over a toothache. That is why they didn't fight earlier. Of course you will not tell the truth about that. You're lying that it took a year and a half to fight. You made the thread and called for the fight 6 months before the fight happened.

Floyd isn't the best of his generation just because of the Manny win. He is the best because he beat Manny, JMM, Cotto, ODH, Hatton, Corrales, Canelo, Zab, Genaro.

[aboutfkntime]

Lmfao.

You're not a boomer? One day you're British. One day you're a boomer. Today what are you?

Oh you watched an impeachment so you know how it works.

Didn't explain what happened during said impeachment. Why? Because you dont actually know lmfao.

Explain it to us wise one! Lmfao.

Same approach you take to boxing. Oh you watch boxing you're a ****ing expert yet open admit you don't score fights but "somehow" know the winner.

Also too much of a little btich to play the pickem game with people who actually know their ****.

Pathetic ****ing loser

I am not british you fkn re-tard

why do I need to correct EVERYTHING you type... ???

stop crying kid, it is over... NOBODY thinks Pacquiao is better than Mayweather

NOBODY... except for you silly pacstains !!

[djtmal]

Credible polls are ones included on credible boxing sites that fans and media people respect. Not fringe BS sites.

I am talking about posters on this site.

The only way that Floyd could elevate himself is if he somehow were able to make it to 160. He was clearly too small for MW. If you want to hold that against his ranking, ok.

It was Shane that refused to fight Floyd over a toothache. That is why they didn't fight earlier. Of course you will not tell the truth about that. You're lying that it took a year and a half to fight. You made the thread and called for the fight 6 months before the fight happened.

Floyd isn't the best of his generation just because of the Manny win. He is the best because he beat Manny, JMM, Cotto, ODH, Hatton, Corrales, Canelo, Zab, Genaro.

Credible polls are people whose boxing history starts and ends with Floyd.

Floyd being too small for mw is a cop out excuse and confirms how much of a low risk cherrypicker he was.
Top 10 atg Duran started at lw and climbed up to 168, and even Oscar started at lightweight and took a risk and fought a true all time great in Hopkins @ 160. Whats Floyd's excuse you mean he couldn't find a past prime name brand mw shot enough make a fight with.

According to Shane he called Floyd personally when Floyd was at 130 and he was at 135 about a fight which Floyd declined. That was waaay before Shane talked about a toothache.
There is a published interview on that which Floyd never denied.

Shane and Cotto said after their fight they both wanted Floyd next, which Cotto won, called out Floyd, but Floyd fought Hatton then said no I am retired and went on a two year vacation.

People try to make so much of Shane saying he needed a break after 2 hard fights with Vargas but want to excuse Floyds two year vacation ducking Shane, Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams in the process. Larry Merchant asked Floyd about the whole division and he said he was retiring/becoming a promotor, etc. You said it was because his hands was hurting remember that.

You can't argue with dates facts and figures Shane was out of the ring 1.5 years between Margarito and Floyd. Shane was already 38 and ring worn. How much credit you want for Floyd beating a shopworn pushing 40 Shane Mosley. You cats harp on people wanting to see Floyd fight somebody other than a slow, flat footed short armed latin guy because thats the only thing you really got. Floyd's cherrypicking got so bad he digressed to a badly faded Andre Berto over young lion like Keith Thurman.