Upset of 2021 prediction,what constitutes hypejob,why espn p4p is a joke

[#1PaperChamp]

This is a good thread to save...good thinking OP

Upset 2021: Crawford TKO Spence

Hypejob 2021: Jermall Charlo (GGG TKO10 after he gets off the deck and batters Charlo)

ESPN P4P: Stephen A Smith has an opinion on everything but he doesnt make sense about anything. Its no wonder the ESPN ratings are warped

[#1PaperChamp]

A real hypejob is someone who is highly touted but never amounts to much. Felix Verjardo is a hypejob. The guys you described aren't really hype jobs. They are just guys you don't like but whom objectively accomplished a lot and beat quality opponents.

Jermall Charlo is ripe fot hypejob alert

1 win over a decent contender - and NEVER champion - in Dervenchenko

Charlo also beat Julian Williams which is a meh win at this point and had a tough fight w/ shot Trout

[TrollyMcTroll]

Jermall Charlo is ripe fot hypejob alert

1 win over a decent contender - and NEVER champion - in Dervenchenko

Charlo also beat Julian Williams which is a meh win at this point and had a tough fight w/ shot Trout

I don't dislike those 4 fighters(except Ggg who I'm still a fan ofs skill level)

I am referring to the meaning of hypejob as in fighters who didn't earn the amount of hype they received.

Which is why I don't like the term hypejob. Its really just another term for hating on someone by emphasizing anything bad on their resume.

There isn't a guy out there you can't do that with. Tyson Fury, only fought two top tier heavyweights in his entire career. Canelo Alvarez, most of his victories against "quality opposition" came against guys who were past their prime or coming off of terrible performances. He carefully picked the weakest available champions in each weight class he won a belt at and chose to avoid young champions Andrade and Charlo across two different divisions. Naoya Inoue, struggled against his most proven opponent by far who was also an old man dropping back down in weight.

You go through everyone's resume with an overly skeptical eye and you'll always find an excuse to s h i t all over them. Call them out for choosing the Money path or hiding behind mandatory defenses when their name will get them another title shot whenever they want. But calling them hypejobs is a bridge too far for me. But we can agree to disagree. That's just how I see it.

[SimpleTouchee]

Of course Canelo resume would be better than Crawford because he ALWAYS been the money fight in every division he been in thanks to Floyd Mayweather. That resume talk should be only used for fantasy matchups. Resume talk is very subjective journeyman have better resume than most fighters if you use that logic. Pacquiao has the best resume among active fighters.

[nino brown21]

Can't please everyone . just take things for what they're worth .

[#1PaperChamp]

Which is why I don't like the term hypejob. Its really just another term for hating on someone by emphasizing anything bad on their resume.

There isn't a guy out there you can't do that with. Tyson Fury, only fought two top tier heavyweights in his entire career. Canelo Alvarez, most of his victories against "quality opposition" came against guys who were past their prime or coming off of terrible performances. He carefully picked the weakest available champions in each weight class he won a belt at and chose to avoid young champions Andrade and Charlo across two different divisions. Naoya Inoue, struggled against his most proven opponent by far who was also an old man dropping back down in weight.

You go through everyone's resume with an overly skeptical eye and you'll always find an excuse to s h i t all over them. Call them out for choosing the Money path or hiding behind mandatory defenses when their name will get them another title shot whenever they want. But calling them hypejobs is a bridge too far for me. But we can agree to disagree. That's just how I see it.

The definition of a hypejob is someone who is being lauded as GREAT but not proving it.

And you say calling someone a hypejob is attacking their resume. YES, that is actually what it is doing. It means a boxers HYPE is NOT EQUAL to what they've accomplished. THAT IS CORRECT.

Wilder was being LAUDED as an ATG HW with this mystical power. He lost 90% of rounds against Luis Ortiz and lost both Fury fights. He doesn't have 1 single remarkable fight outside of those 4 fights...in his entire career. So, sure, his power is impressive but it was good against mostly part-time fighters and Home Depot clerks. Once he stepped up his HYPE exceeded his ABILITY...HYPEJOB.

Jermall (and Jermell) are both at a careful stage in their career. Neither have stepped up and fought elite competition and both have passed on the chance to fight top fighters at different times in their career.

When both of them have stepped up to the "B" tier they have been unimpressive. With Jermell, Harrison was dominating the rematch until he got caught. With Jermall, he looked good against Derv but probably should've lost to Korobov and was very ordinary against Trout.

So, YES, both guys are HYPEJOBS up to this point. Neither Charlo bro had the COURAGE to fight LOMA at 22 years of age. Jermell doesn't fight anyone anyway and Jermall passed on GGG a few years ago and Canelo last year. Teofimo is already NOT a hypejob because he beat an ATG already.

[TrollyMcTroll]

The definition of a hypejob is someone who is being lauded as GREAT but not proving it.

And you say calling someone a hypejob is attacking their resume. YES, that is actually what it is doing. It means a boxers HYPE is NOT EQUAL to what they've accomplished. THAT IS CORRECT.

If they have won belts and defeated established quality fighters they have proven it.

Wilder was being LAUDED as an ATG HW with this mystical power. He lost 90% of rounds against Luis Ortiz and lost both Fury fights. He doesn't have 1 single remarkable fight outside of those 4 fights...in his entire career. So, sure, his power is impressive but it was good against mostly part-time fighters and Home Depot clerks. Once he stepped up his HYPE exceeded his ABILITY...HYPEJOB.

Teofimo is already NOT a hypejob because he beat an ATG already.

[/QUOTE]

Erroll Spence couldn't knock out Mikey Garcia. Some people think he lost to Shaun Porter. Why didn't he jump into an immediate rematch with him instead of fighting someone Porter beat?

Teofimo. Biggest win came in via disputed decision against an older and smaller guy who he couldn't drop. He has come out and said he won't give Loma a rematch. He struggled against Nakatani and landed a hail mary shot against Richard Commey. A man whose biggest victory came over journeyman Rey Beltran. Whoopdie doo.


Once again....you can s h i t on everyone's resume if you go out of your way to do so. Legit criticism is fine. But overly emphasizing the negative is getting drunk on hateraid.

[kushking]

Which is why I don't like the term hypejob. Its really just another term for hating on someone by emphasizing anything bad on their resume.

There isn't a guy out there you can't do that with. Tyson Fury, only fought two top tier heavyweights in his entire career. Canelo Alvarez, most of his victories against "quality opposition" came against guys who were past their prime or coming off of terrible performances. He carefully picked the weakest available champions in each weight class he won a belt at and chose to avoid young champions Andrade and Charlo across two different divisions. Naoya Inoue, struggled against his most proven opponent by far who was also an old man dropping back down in weight.

You go through everyone's resume with an overly skeptical eye and you'll always find an excuse to s h i t all over them. Call them out for choosing the Money path or hiding behind mandatory defenses when their name will get them another title shot whenever they want. But calling them hypejobs is a bridge too far for me. But we can agree to disagree. That's just how I see it.

This is easily disprovable when it comes to Canelo,he started facing the best at age 19(relative to his career trajectory) he faced Mosely 2 fights after Floyd & moselys next fight after Pac, he was only 19,he faced more champions in more fights where he was the underdog than anyone in boxing.

He was the underdog in both Ggg fights,he was a slight favorite over the majority of the numerous Legit champs & p4p opponents in several weightclasses.

He even faced Floyd days after turning 23 at a CW. He has not dragged anyone down in weight besides Chavez bum,when he still moved up in weight. He despite being the cashcow has fought more top fighters than anyone in their own weightclass.(his 155 fights benefitted his opponents as much as him,even Khan whom would've had to go to 160 like Brook did)

Canelo fought PRIME CHAMP #2 Jacobs with a 2 lbs weight advantage,Jacobs had just beaten Deryevchenko without an advantage, having abided by 2nd weigh in, Kovalev who was no less than the #2 champ at Lhw & before Beterbieve beat the Nail, Kovalev was ranked #1.

Kovalev had an extra half day to rehydrate & came in easily at over 200 lbs, Ggg was the #1 p4p,Canelo fought him at full mw in 1st fight at mw twice,he faced Prime Lara/undefeated prime champ Trout at age 22,he fought dangerous puncher Kirkland & many were picking Kirkland,he fought lineal champ Cotto at 155 like Cotto wanted,he fought Smith the #1 lineal at smw

Hes likely to add 2 more smw champs to his mantle this yr.

Compare that to Crawford,how many years has it been & hes going on 34.

[#1PaperChamp]

If they have won belts and defeated established quality fighters they have proven it.

Jermall and Jermell have both beaten 3rd/2nd tier fighters in their careers but did not "dominate" those fights and they have actively avoided 1st tier fighters.

Jermall struggled with a past-it Trout (3rd/2nd) and KOd Julian Williams (3rd) and beat Dervenchenko (2nd). Derv is the best of that group yet he's never been a champion. You say Jermall beat Derv clearer than Jacobs and GGG but that doesnt mean much:

1. Styles make fights


2. Charlo fought past-it Trout and Derv after Jacobs and GGG. Its ALWAYS easier to fight and beat someone coming off losses where they received damage. Thats not a new thing.

Jermall has benefited from fighting guys at the right time and Jermell has never stepped it up besides Harrison and the fact that Jermell doesn't want a 3rd fight is telling about his character (or lack of).

The "cash cows" beat the best fighters and leave no doubt.
Canelo fought GGG twice and a third fight is in the works. Floyd rematched JLC and Maidana, Manny rematched JMM 3 times. The best make it clear and yet Jermall wants nothing to do with Korobov (who fought on a 2-3 week training camp and is a 3rd/2nd rate fighter) nor does Jermell want to fight legitimate opponents and he definitely doesnt want to rematch Harrison.

Both Charlos are hype PROJECTS. They aren't Hype JOBS because the verdict isn't out for either of them.

Jermell was crying after losing to Harrison but he took the rematch, got outboxed before landing quality stuff. Jermell is very suspect at the moment.

Jermall seems to be the better of the brothers and he passed on GGG and Canelo earlier in his career.

As it stands both Charlos are rated as 3rd/2nd tier fighters (similar to Lara or Jacobs). They can elevate themselves by fighting better opponents and winning without controversy. Its up to them to do that and prove they are the real deal and not hype jobs...until then they remain hype projects.

[TrollyMcTroll]

This is easily disprovable when it comes to Canelo,he started facing the best at age 19(relative to his career trajectory) he faced Mosely 2 fights after Floyd & moselys next fight after Pac, he was only 19,he faced more champions in more fights where he was the underdog than anyone in boxing.

This is easily disprovable as he was 19 in 2009 and didn't fight anyone who was a legit quality fighter until Kermit Cintron when Canelo was 21. A Kermit Cintron who had lost 2 of his previous 3. He then fought a Mosley who had lost 2 of his previous 3 fights by wide margins and the third fight was a draw coming against that monster Sergio Mora.

He came up and won a middleweight belt against the mighty midget Miguel Cotto but rather than defend his belt against GGG he fought Amir "Cashout King" Khan and then dropped back down to 154. Rather than take on either of the Charlo's who were both champions at the time or Andrade (I believe he was also champion at the time) he took on Liam Smith. Then rather than unify his belts there or fight GGG at 160 he jumped all the way up to 168 to fight an embarrassment best known for sullying the name of his legendary father. He eventually fought GGG and thanks to some friendly judging he escaped with a win and a draw in their fights when at the very worst they each one a fight. And thats after making GGG wait for 2 years for the fight.

Eventually he would be chased out of a second division by Charlo and Andrade again in order to take a paper title off of Rocky Felding. He could have just challenged the legit champion of that sanctioning body in Callum Smith but no....he picked a guy who was at best the 6th best British super-middleweight at the time. Rather than unify with Smith, Benevidez or Caleb Plant he moved up to 175. He could have fought any of the fresh champions (Beterbiev or Bivol) but instead he chose the comparatively shop worn Sergei Kovalev who had gotten buzzed in his previous fight against unheralded Anthony Yarde around 2 months before. Then, rather than stick around at that weight he dropped back down to 168. Not to fight Benevidez or Plant but to finally fight Callum Smith. Smith, conveniently had just finished looking like absolute dog crap against unheralded John Ryder in his previous fight.



You see....if you turn an extra skeptical eye on a boxer's resume you can find ample reason to s h i t all over it. Was anything I said factually incorrect? No. I am sure if you made an even deeper dive you can find some explainations for this or that. But the point is that even if what I said was technically accurate it was done with a comically overcritical eye that needlessly belittles the many things Canelo has accomplished and makes it seem like he's not as a good a fighter as he is. I don't think anyone should be doing things like that.