Real talk though, Lomachenko is the most overhyped fighter I've ever seen

[QueensburyRules]

Honestly from day one I remember when this guy turned pro and his fanboys were saying how he's a different breed and pwould never lose.

Supposedly his boxing was just on a different level and there was nobody who could crack the code

Then after feasting on old midgets, he fights luke Campbell and struggles and people say "oh the side though..."

As if Canelo just didn't go up to 175 and knock Kovalev spark out, or go 168 and brutalize Liam Smith 12-0

And sorry but both of those guys are a hell of a lot better than luke Campbell.

Then he goes and fights scared vs teo, and I'm just being honest here I don't even see teo as some phenominal fighter I just think he's a decent world champ level.

It just says it all about loma he was never that good and needed size advantage to look like a "genius" against little fellers

- -Prob being U in 3rd grade ain't seen Squatola yet.

[Lomadeaux]

- -Prob being U in 3rd grade ain't seen Squatola yet.

Lmao.............

[whollisboxing]

Even though I think Canelo is a cheating scumbag, and those wins against Kovalev and Callum were not legitimate, I do think you are 100% right. Any time Loma gives up a height and reach advantage, he seems to get tagged easily, has trouble slipping the jab and getting inside, and on top of it all has no power to keep these guys honest. Canelo on the other hand, you never see him get hit cleanly by these taller guys and he has power to add.

What about the Nicholas Walters fight? and he had a string of stoppages against guys with height and reach advantages so I would say he's kept guys honest enough.

Teo is a big, strong lightweight and he didn't exactly bulldoze Loma either.

[whollisboxing]

I think his defense was overhyped. all that matrix talk and he's always eating leather. Canelo has better defense.. but other than that I'd say he proved his hype by walking through GRJ, Rigo and Walters. those 3 wins to me means he's not "hype" just my opinion. and yes losing to a green 23 yr old is a bad look but it was more so him not doing sht for half the fight. when he did let loose he dominated. but he's still a threat to anyone.

Teo was coming off a then career-best win to capture his first world title so I wouldn't say he was green. Maybe not at his peak yet but certainly not green either.

[whollisboxing]

Honestly from day one I remember when this guy turned pro and his fanboys were saying how he's a different breed and would never lose.

Supposedly his boxing was just on a different level and there was nobody who could crack the code

Then after feasting on old midgets, he fights luke Campbell and struggles and people say "oh the side though..."

As if Canelo just didn't go up to 175 and knock Kovalev spark out, or go 168 and brutalize Liam Smith 12-0

And sorry but both of those guys are a hell of a lot better than luke Campbell.

Then he goes and fights scared vs teo, and I'm just being honest here I don't even see teo as some phenominal fighter I just think he's a decent world champ level.

It just says it all about loma he was never that good and needed size advantage to look like a "genius" against little fellers

Who cares about fanboys or haters though? Both represent extreme bias and I care more about what the knowledgeable and objective people have to say.

[whollisboxing]

A loss to a borderline gatekeeper and another loss to a 23 year old

I like watching Loma fight but that says a lot.

And he only has what 16 fights?

There are plenty of 23-year olds who have competed in and won championship fights though.

And it's important to add context with the Salido fight: Orlando Salido was a champion at 126, not a gatekeeper and definitely not someone you would normally face in your second pro fight. Besides that, Salido came in overweight and fouled excessively yet the fight was still close.

It's funny because everyone is quick to bring up the Salido fight but what about how Loma came back to beat Gary Russell Jr. in his next fight? Loma was 1-1 at that point and no one would have judged him if he had taken a tune-up instead. After all, what heavily-touted prospect wants to risk starting their career 1-2?

[TernceBudCharlo]

What about the Nicholas Walters fight? and he had a string of stoppages against guys with height and reach advantages so I would say he's kept guys honest enough.

Teo is a big, strong lightweight and he didn't exactly bulldoze Loma either.

I thought Walters was the real deal. I still think he's better than guys like Campbell and Linares. Which begs the question, what happened in between those fights that made Loma go from dominating guys like the Axeman to beating, but having moments of struggle, with Campbell, Pedraza?

[Lomadeaux]

I thought Walters was the real deal. I still think he's better than guys like Campbell and Linares. Which begs the question, what happened in between those fights that made Loma go from dominating guys like the Axeman to beating, but having moments of struggle, with Campbell, Pedraza?

You don't understand boxing. That's what happened.

[TernceBudCharlo]

You don't understand boxing. That's what happened.

What is the answer then? Was Walterrs overrated or was the 5lb weight increase way too much for Loma?

[whollisboxing]

I thought Walters was the real deal. I still think he's better than guys like Campbell and Linares. Which begs the question, what happened in between those fights that made Loma go from dominating guys like the Axeman to beating, but having moments of struggle, with Campbell, Pedraza?

I think age and moving up in weight happened to be honest.

Pedraza is currently competing at 140 and I imagine that Campbell could do the same. Loma could still make 130 and maybe even 126 if he really tried.