British boxing coaches are terrible.

[JaBfromTokyo]

Lennox Lewis was brought up in North America and won a Gold Medal for Canada, not England. He learned his craft in North America.

He grew up sparring talent in Ontario and Western New York, like a young Mike Tyson (which is just an hour or so drive from Toronto).

Lennox Lewis still lives in the Toronto area. He only went to England at the start of his career for money and because boxing is much much bigger there than in Canada and he was able to build a brand off of beating UK heavyweights before he dominated the US.

Canada has had some pretty good champs over the years relative to the amount of people that turn pro, as it's not as popular as it is in the US. Canada is NOT boxing crazed in any way shape or form. The national program and amateur boxers are constantly sparring and testing their talent in US tournaments because of the ease of travel/proximity, especially in the great lakes area. I would reckon that if it was more popular you would see more champs, just a numbers game.

Lennox Lewis
Adonis Stephenson
Jean Pascal

Historically you have Sam Langford, George Dixon, Tommy Burns, George Chuvalo

Recently we saw a undefeated guy in Custio Clayton come in and completely dominate a top 15 welterweight in Lipinets (we all know he should have got the nod instead of it being a draw).

There is talent but it's relative to the amount of people that turn pro and take it seriously as a profession.

[Shanks]

you Americans need to start showing respect to us brits. always throwing shade our way in the boxing world. are u mad because we carry all the heavyweight belts?

[Cobratu]

British fighters are good I like and enjoy them nothing wrong with being behind power houses like US and Mexico

[REDEEMER]

Take the average U.K boxer and put him in a decent U.S training facility he probably learns more depending on what the situation is and focus of that individual fighter .

I remember seeing Frank Bruno train DDD for a session and had him looking sharp and throwing with correct form .

Saw DDD back with his current trainer in that same session and looked like he was a beginner .

However the word terrible is a bit strong because you then are including everyone in the U.K and that’s just not realistic.

The U.K has lucked out with an Anthony Joshua who is multi gifted and has size and a great ambassador to boxing so it’s at the forefront in that class anyway.

Fury learned to really box with the tutelage of Manny Steward and so did Lewis , Fury now punching correctly after one fight or two in the U.S under Sugar Hill and destruction of Wilder .


Even Roach was trying to give Fury better advise in his first Wilder fight but had to take a second seat to Davison who is a very good boxing brain .

It’s easy to single out the U.K bec they are tightly nit but the U.S has some questionable training to it’s just not as prominent .

[LacedUp]

It isn't us that have the inferiority complex. You've been on this site how long? And yet you still can't see? That deserves a "Whoa". A big one.

Over the last 40 years we HAVE beat them most of the time we fought. Even though they still had most of the advantages. They are the facts that i'll put to you. Good wins or better at world level count, decent wins or prime fighters against shot and drained fighters, do not. I won't go back any further than 40 years because that's too much to work with. Plus, we don't have the full fight to break it all down properly.

Lennox Lewis: Holyfield x2, Tyson, Briggs, Mercer, Grant, Morrison, Tucker, Rahamn, McCall.

Joe Calzaghe: Hopkins, Jones Jr, Lacy, Sheika, Mitchell, Brewer.

Carl Froch: Dirrell and Taylor.

Naseem Hamed: Kelley and Johnson.

Kell Brook: Porter.

Josh Taylor: Prograis.

Carl Frampton: Cruz and Avalos.

Nigel Benn: McClellan, Dewitt, Barkley, Simms.

Chris Eubank: Holmes.

AJ: Ruiz.

Jr Witter: Harris and Corley.

James Degale: Dirrell.

Paul Ingle: Jr Jones.

Danny Williams: Tyson.

Amir Khan: Judah, Alexander, Perterson (Yes, that was a robbery in so many ways that night) Malignaggi.

Ricky Hatton: Philips, Collazo, Malignaggi.

Tyson Fury: Wilder x2.

Now match that with American wins over us in the same time period.

This list would be bigger for us if they didn't duck us all the time like the cowards they clearly are. All their wins could be broken down to see the cheating, robberies, and manipulation to guarantee wins.

I remember reading a post from you that had Frazier as equal or better than Lennox Lewis. Haha. That's insane. Frazier was nothing but a unskilled bar room brawler with a left hook and bad eyesight. His resume is stinking. He's the Andy Ruiz, Buster Douglas, Hasim Rahamn of his time. After the Ali win (Who lost to everyone but got the robbery decisions) what does he actually have for a resume? Hell, he even lost to a caveman bum in Bonavena and got dropped twice by him. But you consider him a legit great. he's not. He'll never be. But the propaganda wants to brainwash you into thinking they're great. But of course the US wants you to think that. It benefits them. Just like they put out the propaganda with Wilder and the extremists imbeciles claimed he was a HOF'er. Haha. Danny Garcia too. That's how f3cking insane it is. But lets just stick to this topic for now and lets see if we can start chipping away at your clear conditioning from the brainwash.

Yes we have beaten american fighters along the times, but when our best meet their best we usually lose. Those are facts.

You mention Froch beating dirrell but don't mention he lost to Ward. Same with Khan losing to Garcia and brook losing to spence and crawford.

[LacedUp]

You don't think the Perez win was a good win? He just came from dominating Hooker? Yet Luke Dominated him and stopped him.

But who are these Americans who travelled after coming from a loss and had been out of the ring for over 15 months but won over the big favourite? Hey, you can skip the travelling if you like?

Simple question.

Yes it was a good win, but not world class. That's a simple point that somehow you don't understand.

Americans don't have to travel the same way because they are from the biggest market There's a small pool to choose from and most people lost because they weren't the best. and if they were the best they wouldn't have had to travel.

But for the sake of argument, both Spence and Crawford recently came to the UK and beat our guys.

[Sid-Knee]

Yes we have beaten american fighters along the times, but when our best meet their best we usually lose. Those are facts.

You mention Froch beating dirrell but don't mention he lost to Ward. Same with Khan losing to Garcia and brook losing to spence and crawford.

Are you smoking some good shlt or something? Have i not just given you a list of good world class wins or better over the last 40 years to discuss the FACT that we beat them most of the time we fight? But you came back with nothing of any substance? Where is this supposed fact you speak of that we lose most of the time? List them all, and lets see if they can match our numbers. They can't, which is my point. Do you even know how to debate?

Ward over Froch is just one win for them. I didn't say they don't get them, i said MOST OF THE TIME WE FIGHT WE WIN. What part can you supposedly prove is false?

You actually think a shot, drained and damaged Brook in both the Spence and Crawford fights actually means something? I can give you a load of wins over shot Americans if you want. However, i do not count them as they are not worthwhile.

What are you going to say next, that when America's best meet Australia's best, they come out of it wanting due to Green destroying their supposed great in Jones in the first round, and Mundine dominated Mosley and made him quit, even though both were shot?

Are you even British? You sound very American to me. And if not, speak for yourself when talking of an inferiority complex. me, i wouldn't lower myself to this lunacy of smoke and mirrors. They are weirdos and extremists. Threaten them with a good fighter and the hate and slander comes spewing out. Look what they're doing to AJ. Look what they're doing to Fury after it all backfired on them after they thought they couldn't possibly lose due to how many advantages they had with the shape Fury was in. Look what they did to Lewis. See any patterns with how they operate?

[Sid-Knee]

Yes it was a good win, but not world class. That's a simple point that somehow you don't understand.

Americans don't have to travel the same way because they are from the biggest market There's a small pool to choose from and most people lost because they weren't the best. and if they were the best they wouldn't have had to travel.

But for the sake of argument, both Spence and Crawford recently came to the UK and beat our guys.

If Perez had just come from getting a good world class win over Hooker, even though if was the usual robbery, then that means it was a good world class win for Luke. THAT is a simple point you fail to understand. It's easy even for an idiot. Try harder and see if you can dislodge the brain fog. Hopefully you can think a lot clearer that way.

The biggest market? How do we offer the bigger paydays most of the time then? You're living 20 years in the past. Those days are well and truly over. The numbers they give for their fighters, especially the PBC cult, are nothing but lies.

Many of our A side stars travelled. Naz, Hatton, Lewis, Calzaghe... Etc etc they did so because they wanted to prove themselves and open another market. They're real fighters who put it on the line. Not like the cowards over there who never want to fight against the best because they know they'll be beaten. Not because the opponents don't mean anything.

Why do you think Ali, Robinson, Frazier travelled? Was it down to their opponent being the best? Their opponent was the A side? Please stop smoking that shlt. It's f3cking up your mind to the point you sound American as f3ck.

Burns was shot too. You could see that in the fights with Beltran and Gonzales. The last time he was himself was Kevin Mitchell. He never regained his form after that. I have my reasons for why i believe it all went pair shaped. But i guess we'll never know. It's just one of those things. But not seeing when fighters are shot??? How long have you been around the sport? And still you believe this madness you're saying? Come on!

[Marchegiano]

If Perez had just come from getting a good world class win over Hooker, even though if was the usual robbery, then that means it was a good world class win for Luke. THAT is a simple point you fail to understand. It's easy even for an idiot. Try harder and see if you can dislodge the brain fog. Hopefully you can think a lot clearer that way.

The biggest market? How do we offer the bigger paydays most of the time then? You're living 20 years in the past. Those days are well and truly over. The numbers they give for their fighters, especially the PBC cult, are nothing but lies.

Many of our A side stars travelled. Naz, Hatton, Lewis, Calzaghe... Etc etc they did so because they wanted to prove themselves and open another market. They're real fighters who put it on the line. Not like the cowards over there who never want to fight against the best because they know they'll be beaten. Not because the opponents don't mean anything.

Why do you think Ali, Robinson, Frazier travelled? Was it down to their opponent being the best? Their opponent was the A side? Please stop smoking that shlt. It's f3cking up your mind to the point you sound American as f3ck.

Burns was shot too. You could see that in the fights with Beltran and Gonzales. The last time he was himself was Kevin Mitchell. He never regained his form after that. I have my reasons for why i believe it all went pair shaped. But i guess we'll never know. It's just one of those things. But not seeing when fighters are shot??? How long have you been around the sport? And still you believe this madness you're saying? Come on!

They wanted to make money.

You can puff it up all you like but your musicians, comedians, and everything else under entertainment do the same thing. Ain't no backyard in comedy, we can't even tell y'all are british when you sing because your accent's such **** you drop it to sound worth a ****.

You remind me of the Germans and Slavs when Wlad was on top talking about matching Mike Tyson's ticket sales. There's a whole economy of **** you're leaving out. How much ****ing merchandise has the UK moved? Dunno? But dem ticket sales doe, dem purses doe. What is Joshua's likeness worth to EA? What brands endorse him and what are the sums of his endorsement deals? But dem purses doe. Every form of entertainer comes to America to get bigger, but, dem purses doe.

[_Rexy_]

Yes we have beaten american fighters along the times, but when our best meet their best we usually lose. Those are facts.

You mention Froch beating dirrell but don't mention he lost to Ward. Same with Khan losing to Garcia and brook losing to spence and crawford.

Lmfao using Froch beating Dirrell is a terrible example if you actually score the fight