Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo, Garcia-Campbell, Ward, Loma, More

[1Qbobo26]

I don’t know why people reference Compubox. Compubox is a joke. It’s like the handbook Boxing for dummies. Judges don’t see Compubox, corners don’t see Compubox, fighters don’t see Compubox. People don’t understand that we can see every twitch, every shot thrown and every shot landed from the camera angles on television.

What’s not explained clearly to fight fans and what I’d expect true boxing fans to understand is the shots we see on television one to two judges may never have seen. Why this needs to be explained on a boxing forum is beyond me but here goes.

Judges sit on different sides of the ring at ring level. If action in a round is occurring on predominantly one or two sides of the ring one or two judges within a round may not see the action occurring for a majority of a round with two fighters in a clinch. Therefore their perspective of a round may differ greatly from that of the one or two judges who see the action clearly.

It’s beyond me that this still needs to be explained. Whenever I read someone referencing “Compubox” my first thought is “yup another boxing casual has graced us with their presence”. With that said, even with or without Compubox, even with the television angles we were able to see and the judges weren’t, on that night Loma lost as clear as the sun rises in the East. Lopez won the fight and it doesn’t matter if someone says Loma only won two or three rounds. I could see any level of scoring for that fight in favor of Lopez.

I’ll stand by it, anyone referencing Compubox in order to justify a boxer’s performance win or lose doesn’t know the boxing game and is in its purest form is a boxing casual.

Thanks your "boxing excellency" for bestowing your bountiful boxing knowledge on me. Lol..You are so wise. But can I ask you a question your excellency?? Who told you that I drew my conclusion of the fight a DRAW from total compubox stats?? My reevaluation of the total punchstats were to EXPOSE corruption (extreme biased) in this sport and on the night of Oct 17th. Hahaha you explaining the judges seating chart was almost as laughable as your pleading their innocence. Julie Lederman could have cloned herself and sat at each corners of the ring she would have still been incompetent in her scoring. What the hell does judges seating chart have to do with you "superfans" inability to score a fight anyway?? Judges arent perfect and they get scores wrong often but that has NOTHING to do with them being extremely biased (borderline corrupt) during this fight. I've never seen compubox operators cheat a fighter out of +90 total punches that he/she landed. I understood everything you said (although you didnt quit say it correctly), compubox CANNOT quite reveal the QUALITY of the punches so it left up to the fans interpretation based on the 4 criterias of scoring a round. Secondly, OFCOURSE total compubox stats DOESNT reflect the real winner of a match given THE FACT that fights are susposed to be scored round by round (as if one round is an entire fight). I mean obviously right?? Since you think your so smart and KNOW THE BOXING GAME and understand that compubox IS NOT A CRITERA; that is, just numbers imperfectly administered by humans, than prove your NOT A CASUAL decaf by answering this question. Ready?....Here it..Based off the four criterias of judging a fight, who ACTUALLY won round 2?? If you answered Lopez your WRONG. Not only did you prove that your a fanboi but you contradicted your compubox theory and why numbers don't tell the full story. Given that Lopez landed 1 or 2 more than Loma in that round it was the epitome of your point quality over quantity. Loma landed the cleaner, harder better shots although Lopez landed a few more. Yup, but I bet you "boxing pugilist" that graced us with your narcissistic presence scored that round to Lopez which proves that your biased therefore discrediting the boxing knowledge you do know and you simply DONT know how to score a fight lol...I know that goes against your pride in being a know-it-all huh? I judged the fight based off the 4 criterias; Ring generalship, defense , effective aggression and clean & hard punching (Accurate effective) and scored it to be a DRAW. You sound smart to somebody dumb 😂😂😂🤷*♂️.

[1Qbobo26]

"...but because Bread didn't score the fight hes forced to meet the fanboi halfway & then he doesn't commit to what the fight was entirely...."

- Bread understands that your not susposed to score a fight in its entirety DUMBASS 😂👍👌🤪

[1Qbobo26]

I don’t know why people reference Compubox. Compubox is a joke. It’s like the handbook Boxing for dummies. Judges don’t see Compubox, corners don’t see Compubox, fighters don’t see Compubox. People don’t understand that we can see every twitch, every shot thrown and every shot landed from the camera angles on television.

What’s not explained clearly to fight fans and what I’d expect true boxing fans to understand is the shots we see on television one to two judges may never have seen. Why this needs to be explained on a boxing forum is beyond me but here goes.

Judges sit on different sides of the ring at ring level. If action in a round is occurring on predominantly one or two sides of the ring one or two judges within a round may not see the action occurring for a majority of a round with two fighters in a clinch. Therefore their perspective of a round may differ greatly from that of the one or two judges who see the action clearly.

It’s beyond me that this still needs to be explained. Whenever I read someone referencing “Compubox” my first thought is “yup another boxing casual has graced us with their presence”. With that said, even with or without Compubox, even with the television angles we were able to see and the judges weren’t, on that night Loma lost as clear as the sun rises in the East. Lopez won the fight and it doesn’t matter if someone says Loma only won two or three rounds. I could see any level of scoring for that fight in favor of Lopez.

I’ll stand by it, anyone referencing Compubox in order to justify a boxer’s performance win or lose doesn’t know the boxing game and is in its purest form is a boxing casual.

Yes compubox is a joke in regards to mans dishonesty but punchstats ARE NECESSARY (if counted correctly) to determine a winner of a round if none of the fighters land anything of significance. Again, how do you judge a fight???? If both fighters land NOTHING of significance (4th criteria: Clean & Hard) in the round than those numbers can determine WHO LANDED MORE. If one opponent lands more but the other lands the better (4th criteria) than those higher numbers wont mattervin determining who won that round. In every sport their NEEDS to be numbers/calculations, without them sports lose structure and order. The solution is to improve it not get rid of it.

[kushking]

"...but because Bread didn't score the fight hes forced to meet the fanboi halfway & then he doesn't commit to what the fight was entirely...."

- Bread understands that your not susposed to score a fight in its entirety DUMBASS ��������

Nobody said you're supposed to score the fight in its entirety, genius. I said you pulled compubox stats outta your ass that you made up,then Bread wasn't even aware that your compubox was made up & he met you halfway while rightfully saying you're fos. (You misquoted me too,but you know that)

There is no way shape or form that Loma outlanded Lopez let alone by 100 punches your stan ass claimed.

I literally just told you I can see why Loma fans had it kinda close(if you generously gave Loma every rd remotely possible) But it doesn't change how ****** your letter to bread was, anyone who reads that bs can see how stan it is.

Loma lost a CLEAR decision & the entire boxing world agrees,that rarely ever happens.

[1Qbobo26]

even more than that...

punches landed is NOT official scoring criteria

even if compubox stats are correct - and believe me, some are way off - that is not always indicative who won the fight... some are, some are not

any judge will tell you the winner is not necessarily the guy who lands the most punches... casual-fans will cry their heart out upon hearing that, but they cry about every fkn thing... that is still a fact

CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN

I agree with you, compubox fkn suxx... a ridiculous tool that should only be used (sparingly) by historians, and on occasion trainers

..."CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN"....

Those were MY own count not the official compubox numbers so I didnt count the shoulders, forearms or gloves. I counted head, body and chest punches although a chest punch cannot factor into stealing a round since it is not CLEAN & HARD (criteria) like you mentioned. By your own admission you argued against your man crush Lopez because hes the one who was inaccurate hitting forearms, gloves, elbows and shoulders.

[kushking]

..."CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN"....

Those were MY own count not the official compubox numbers so I didnt count the shoulders, forearms or gloves. I counted head, body and chest punches although a chest punch cannot factor into stealing a round since it is not CLEAN & HARD (criteria) like you mentioned. By your own admission you argued against your man crush Lopez because hes the one who was inaccurate hitting forearms, gloves, elbows and shoulders.

You just tried using"fights are scored round by round not entirety" on me,yet here you are using made up compubox TOTALS to justify your "mancrush" scorecard & crying Loma was robbed.

[kushking]

..."CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN"....

Those were MY own count not the official compubox numbers so I didnt count the shoulders, forearms or gloves. I counted head, body and chest punches although a chest punch cannot factor into stealing a round since it is not CLEAN & HARD (criteria) like you mentioned. By your own admission you argued against your man crush Lopez because hes the one who was inaccurate hitting forearms, gloves, elbows and shoulders.

I can LITERALLY PROVE you are completely full of ***! You claim that you scored your own compubox based only off punches that were clean scoring punches but thats literally impossible & a flat out disprovable lie! How do I know?

BECAUSE HOW IN THE FLYING *** CAN YOU HAVE LOMA LANDING almost 100 PUNCHES MORE THAN COMPUBOX TOTAL WHILE CLAIMING YOUR COMPUBOX IS ACCURATE BECAUSE "IT ONLY COUNTED SCORING PUNCHES"

That's IMPOSSIBLE! If as you claim Compubox supposedly" is bs because it supposedly counts every punch even arm punches & blocked shots" then how in the flyin*** can you have counted 100 extra punches plus ALL of compuboxs counted punches if they were supposedly ONLY clean landed punches?

YOU CAN'T Because ITS FCKIN IMPOSSIBLE!(use common sense ffs)


Hopefully someone reading this can chime in using simple logic.

In order to believe your bs compubox we'd have to assume EVERY SINGLE loma punch plus 100 more were ALL clean effective punches

Its actually worse than that even, we'd have to believe Loma destroyed Lopez in a 1 sided beatdown if we believed your bs compubox, somehow Teo landed 153 LESS punches than compubox said,& somehow Loma outlanded him by almost 100 punches according to your bs compubox.

[1Qbobo26]

Nobody said you're supposed to score the fight in its entirety, genius. I said you pulled compubox stats outta your ass that you made up,then Bread wasn't even aware that your compubox was made up & he met you halfway while rightfully saying you're fos. (You misquoted me too,but you know that)

There is no way shape or form that Loma outlanded Lopez let alone by 100 punches your stan ass claimed.

I literally just told you I can see why Loma fans had it kinda close(if you generously gave Loma every rd remotely possible) But it doesn't change how ****** your letter to bread was, anyone who reads that bs can see how stan it is.

Loma lost a CLEAR decision & the entire boxing world agrees,that rarely ever happens.

Than I challenge you to do your own punchstats. Find out if I'm lying. Be noble, dont take my word for it do your own research. I emailed Bread on other occasions and explained to him that I noticed inconsistencies in compubox (specifically after round 8) and decided to do my own count so hes well aware that those were my numbers. He was just being polite rather than saying "hey you made that **** up!". You just admitted that WE the fans have a better view than both operators and judges so why cant my numbers be correct or valid?? You understand that operators watch and score the fight from television to right (for the most part)??? You cant call somebody a liar without proof so be my guest. I doubt you'll do it yourself, you've taken this fight so personally that to confirm that truth will hurt your feelings. As far as my letter goes all you did was rant about what I ALREADY KNOW. I gave sound reasoning on why I believe round 8-11 cant be swing rounds to give to Lopez. Why?? I wasnt trying to point to compubox to disprove his opinion (about those being swing rounds) because the eyeball test (along with 4 criterias) should have validated that Loma won those rounds HANDS DOWN. (Based off your own analogy fighter A throwing 60 basic punches and B throwing 1 that was the most effective yadda yadda...)If fighter A is landing 4-5 punch combinations that were Clean/accurate/effective while fighter B also lands clean/accurate hard punch but they are one shot at a time (and occasional) than how could that be a swing round?? If Lopez didnt put his hands up to block and stop Lomas accurate power punching onslaught but only responded by getting his offensive off landing one punch (or two) at a time than SIMPLE MATH says Loma is winning that round. So therefore, It CANNOT BE A SWING ROUND given that Loma landed MORE of the SIGNIFICANT (Based on the criteria; Clean and hard punching) punches. How do you score a fight?? If both fighters shots are standard than the fighter that lands more wins that round. If a one lands more but their standard (inaccurate) and the other lands less but they meet the 4th criteria in Clean/accurate & hard then he steals the round. Make sense? This was the point of my letter. And the only reason everybody agrees that Lopez won is because of spiritual reasons in which I already explained but that doesnt mean that the world is right. That doesnt mean that the world wasnt being biased. Sorry to hurt your feelings fanboi.

[aboutfkntime]

..."CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN"....

Those were MY own count not the official compubox numbers so I didnt count the shoulders, forearms or gloves. I counted head, body and chest punches although a chest punch cannot factor into stealing a round since it is not CLEAN & HARD (criteria) like you mentioned. By your own admission you argued against your man crush Lopez because hes the one who was inaccurate hitting forearms, gloves, elbows and shoulders.

hey, shlthead...

1) who cares about your count, shlthead... you are just another ignorant casual-fan moron

2) Lomachenko is my guy, NOT Lopez LMFAO

3) that fight was close as fuck, there was very little in it... a lot of Loma's work went largely unnoticed... especially the subtle defence, movement, combinations... some of those early rounds were VERY close, and imo could have gone either way

4) fans who think they know more than professional judges should never be taken seriously

5) fuck you


I stand by every word in that post

even more than that...

punches landed is NOT official scoring criteria

even if compubox stats are correct - and believe me, some are way off - that is not always indicative who won the fight... some are, some are not

any judge will tell you the winner is not necessarily the guy who lands the most punches... casual-fans will cry their heart out upon hearing that, but they cry about every fkn thing... that is still a fact

CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN

I agree with you, compubox fkn suxx... a ridiculous tool that should only be used (sparingly) by historians, and on occasion trainers

[1Qbobo26]

I can LITERALLY PROVE you are completely full of ***! You claim that you scored your own compubox based only off punches that were clean scoring punches but thats literally impossible & a flat out disprovable lie! How do I know?

BECAUSE HOW IN THE FLYING *** CAN YOU HAVE LOMA LANDING almost 100 PUNCHES MORE THAN COMPUBOX TOTAL WHILE CLAIMING YOUR COMPUBOX IS ACCURATE BECAUSE "IT ONLY COUNTED SCORING PUNCHES"

That's IMPOSSIBLE! If as you claim Compubox supposedly" is bs because it supposedly counts every punch even arm punches & blocked shots" then how in the flyin*** can you have counted 100 extra punches plus ALL of compuboxs counted punches if they were supposedly ONLY clean landed punches?

YOU CAN'T Because ITS FCKIN IMPOSSIBLE!(use common sense ffs)


Hopefully someone reading this can chime in using simple logic.

In order to believe your bs compubox we'd have to assume EVERY SINGLE loma punch plus 100 more were ALL clean effective punches

Its actually worse than that even, we'd have to believe Loma destroyed Lopez in a 1 sided beatdown if we believed your bs compubox, somehow Teo landed 153 LESS punches than compubox said,& somehow Loma outlanded him by almost 100 punches according to your bs compubox.

OMG, I dare you to dm Bread via so we can get a good laugh 😂😂🤪🙏. I didnt include compubox numbers plus my own. Your arguement is still ****** because either way COMPUBOX DIDNT RECORD ALL Lomas LANDED OR SCORING SHOTS. Do you have alzheimers? That was your statement remember? I quote; "compubox counts shots to the glove arms, forearms elbows etc.... I'm not a compubox expert but I'm pretty sure that they dont count forearm, shoulders, elbows because when you google the rules of boxing they specifically state that elbow, forearms, shoulder punches DONT COUNT (arent scoring). I only scored what counts in the rules which are head, body and chest (though the most insignificant). Why on gods green earth would they count that scoring and not missed shots??Show me an article that states what Compubox considers as landed punches and missed. And even of they did THOSE TYPE OF SHOTS CANT WIN YOU A ROUND anyway!! During round six if you look in the background after Lomachenkos lands a left to Lopez solarplex and right hook to the side of Lopezs head (up against the ropes) you can see one of the operators (or judges) motioning that Loma landed the right hook to the back of Lopezs head (when in actuality it was to his left side not back) and to NOT COUNT THE SHOT. They didnt want to credit Loma for the shot because everybody wanted Lopez to win. You telling me to use common sense but common sense should tell you every landed punch shouldnt be recorded because they cant win you a round anyways. Wtf are we arguing about both outscored each other taking 6 rounds a piece but it just so happens that Lomachenkos onslaught was more dominant landing a higher punch volume. Lol no but seriously you should email bread that 😂🤣👍