Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo, Garcia-Campbell, Ward, Loma, More

[aboutfkntime]

I’m not in any way emotional I’m just as plain as plain can be. People seem to think Compubox is this computer wizardry like the old way College football teams were rated. Compubox isn’t an automated system. It’s run by two HUMAN operators who like judges miss punches landed and punches thrown. It’s about as accurate and useful as a one legged man in an a s s kicking contest.

even more than that...

punches landed is NOT official scoring criteria

even if compubox stats are correct - and believe me, some are way off - that is not always indicative who won the fight... some are, some are not

any judge will tell you the winner is not necessarily the guy who lands the most punches... casual-fans will cry their heart out upon hearing that, but they cry about every fkn thing... that is still a fact

CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN

I agree with you, compubox fkn suxx... a ridiculous tool that should only be used (sparingly) by historians, and on occasion trainers

[Boxingfanatic75]

even more than that...

punches landed is NOT official scoring criteria

even if compubox stats are correct - and believe me, some are way off - that is not always indicative who won the fight... some are, some are not

any judge will tell you the winner is not necessarily the guy who lands the most punches... casual-fans will cry their heart out upon hearing that, but they cry about every fkn thing... that is still a fact

CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN

I agree with you, compubox fkn suxx... a ridiculous tool that should only be used (sparingly) by historians, and on occasion trainers

Green K! Finally someone that gets it. Many boxing analysts have said Compubox has ruined boxing. It tries to inject analytics (simply pure numbers) that were derived by man into a sport based on a subjective nature behind clearly established rules. Based solely on what I’ve said above, anyone with half a brain would conclude that Compubox has very little to do with the match itself and should not be used.

Whenever you get into a thread about a disputed fight you will almost always see within that thread someone include Compubox numbers and then anyone agreeing with the position point to the thread where Compubox was mentioned.

[kushking]

Green K! Finally someone that gets it. Many boxing analysts have said Compubox has ruined boxing. It tries to inject analytics (simply pure numbers) that were derived by man into a sport based on a subjective nature behind clearly established rules. Based solely on what I’ve said above, anyone with half a brain would conclude that Compubox has very little to do with the match itself and should not be used.

Whenever you get into a thread about a disputed fight you will almost always see within that thread someone include Compubox numbers and then anyone agreeing with the position point to the thread where Compubox was mentioned.

Again NoBody said compubox is how to score fights, you hear what you want to hear. I keep saying the same thing, COMPUBOX is just a BAROMETER to see how someone else might've scored the fight in the sense that theres rds that are completely 1 sided,& theres rds where both fighters landed about the same(If I scored off compubox I wouldn't have scored Canelo beating ggg in both fights,which his defense, effective aggression,punch variety,& clean power punching was responsible for while ggg mostly landed non rotation arm punches & missed & was blocked a shtload & he mostly only landed jabs cleanly)

. I just finished explaining to you that BREAD brought up compubox in reference to a Loma fanboi,& he tempered his response based on assuming that the guy had posted compubox & that it showed it was close. Gtfoh with this bs about scoring fights on compubox (or show me where anyone said so)

Compubox picks the winner over 90% of the time-FACT

Does it mean fights are judged off it or compubox was designed for that-NO!

Compubox is an ESTIMATE that allows someone to see the other side of the coin like when Loma fans say the fight was close even though it wasn't,or when judges see it the opposite as the majority. It is an ESTIMATE of who landed more punches,& it is only a REFERENCE to see the actual stats otherwise impossible for anyone to keep track of.

I just explained to you earlier that I had Teo winning almost every rd but after REWATCHING/rescoring the fight AND referencing compubox(& discussing it) I CAN SEE why Loma fans say it was a closer fight than I scored it.(in other words Compubox is useful to gauge activity mostly,as I said earlier,it shows which rds a fighter was most active,which rds they were heavily outlanded,& by how many power shots & body shots,

NOBODY has said they score off compubox. Compubox is useful say if 1 fighter landed the cleaner punches but still lost the rd,to see why the judges gave it to the other fighter(because oftentimes the fighter landing the most wins off activity alone,& the other fighter who lands cleaner more powerful shots but hardly threw loses the rd because volume oftentimes is scored as clean punching if they landed more (look at ggg v Canelo where despite Canelo CLEARLY landing cleaner in both fights & with far more behind his shots is still called a robber because ggg landed more weak jabs & unclean arm punches but he threw a shtload & completely abandoned most his arsenal while Canelohit him with every punch type & combo & he made him miss like an amateur (scoring criteria)

[Boxingfanatic75]

Again NoBody said compubox is how to score fights, you hear what you want to hear. I keep saying the same thing, COMPUBOX is just a BAROMETER to see how someone else might've scored the fight in the sense that theres rds that are completely 1 sided,& theres rds where both fighters landed about the same(If I scored off compubox I wouldn't have scored Canelo beating ggg in both fights,which his defense, effective aggression,punch variety,& clean power punching was responsible for while ggg mostly landed non rotation arm punches & missed & was blocked a shtload & he mostly only landed jabs cleanly)

. I just finished explaining to you that BREAD brought up compubox in reference to a Loma fanboi,& he tempered his response based on assuming that the guy had posted compubox & that it showed it was close. Gtfoh with this bs about scoring fights on compubox (or show me where anyone said so)

Compubox picks the winner over 90% of the time-FACT

Does it mean fights are judged off it or compubox was designed for that-NO!

Compubox is an ESTIMATE that allows someone to see the other side of the coin like when Loma fans say the fight was close even though it wasn't,or when judges see it the opposite as the majority. It is an ESTIMATE of who landed more punches,& it is only a REFERENCE to see the actual stats otherwise impossible for anyone to keep track of.

I just explained to you earlier that I had Teo winning almost every rd but after REWATCHING/rescoring the fight AND referencing compubox(& discussing it) I CAN SEE why Loma fans say it was a closer fight than I scored it.(in other words Compubox is useful to gauge activity mostly,as I said earlier,it shows which rds a fighter was most active,which rds they were heavily outlanded,& by how many power shots & body shots,

NOBODY has said they score off compubox. Compubox is useful say if 1 fighter landed the cleaner punches but still lost the rd,to see why the judges gave it to the other fighter(because oftentimes the fighter landing the most wins off activity alone,& the other fighter who lands cleaner more powerful shots but hardly threw loses the rd because volume oftentimes is scored as clean punching if they landed more (look at ggg v Canelo where despite Canelo CLEARLY landing cleaner in both fights & with far more behind his shots is still called a robber because ggg landed more weak jabs & unclean arm punches but he threw a shtload & completely abandoned most his arsenal while Canelohit him with every punch type & combo & he made him miss like an amateur (scoring criteria)

What you have said here is fair and I’ve got no complaints with it.

[b Murphington]

even more than that...

punches landed is NOT official scoring criteria

even if compubox stats are correct - and believe me, some are way off - that is not always indicative who won the fight... some are, some are not

any judge will tell you the winner is not necessarily the guy who lands the most punches... casual-fans will cry their heart out upon hearing that, but they cry about every fkn thing... that is still a fact

CLEAN, HARD, punching... is official scoring criteria... compubox counts EVERYTHING... punches that hit shoulders, forearms, even gloves... and does not factor in HARD, nor CLEAN

I agree with you, compubox fkn suxx... a ridiculous tool that should only be used (sparingly) by historians, and on occasion trainers

The way I explain it to people is I give a hypothetical fight.

Let’s say that in a round, boxer A lands 60 punches. He landed a lot, but they are weak punches. He’s not even fully committing to them. He’s landing clean, but they do nothing to his opponent and his opponent just eats them and does not care at all.

Now let’s say boxer B lands just 1 punch. 1 vs 60, but that 1 punch sends boxer A flying across the ring and he’s off balance, clinching on for dear life and looks really hurt, but he never goes down.

Who wins that hypothetical rounds? Boxer A, or boxer B? The answer is obvious.

Now, it’s almost never that clear cut and dry, but it drives home the point that it is not all about the number of punches landed, but it’s the quality of the punches landed.

[b Murphington]

Most of the time if I’m trying to score a round I ask myself at the end of the round, who would I rather be?

[1Qbobo26]

Bread really needs to start actually scoring fights & studying compubox,I mean for someone whos supposed to be a hofer type breadth of boxing knowledge he sure doesn't score fights or keep up with compubox, that's why its so hard to agree with his assessment of who should've won & how to rate fighters based on that, like in close fights especially.

Take Loma for example theres no way anyone should ever be justified for scoring it a draw,Teo clearly won the fight imho(by at least 8-4 rds 7-5 if being extremely generous),but because Bread didn't score the fight hes forced to meet the fanboi halfway & then he doesn't commit to what the fight was entirely.

How often have you watched a fight without scoring then when rewatching with scoring realize how wrong you were upon initial impression? (I personally thought Loma lost almost every round,but after rewatching & scoring & comparing scores with compubox I realized that Loma could've won a few more rds than I gave him initially,I know compubox isn't everything though)

And the dude saying Campbell stops garcia is out of his mind imho(we shall see,I wouldn't mind if he got humbled)

As much as everybody is sucking Lopezs little Honduranian **** because of some personal hate for Loma you got the nerve. Kettle calling the pot black. Id rather be a fan (of a particular fighter) than a bandwagon like most of you so called "boxing superfans" that initially picked Loma to win and talked mad **** about Lopez claiming he was scared during their ESPN segment (cant remember the name of show) than you jumped ship to Lopez. What kind of fake ass **** is that?! I'm NOT so much of a fan of someone that Im going to be in denial if I felt they really lost! I am a bigger Miguel Cotto fan but I had to admit that he lost to Canelo while some said Cotto actually won. I wanted Hopkins to beat Calzaghe hella bad and was pissed because I KNEW Hopkins lost. But Lomachenko vs Lopez was an ABSOLUTELY A DRAW, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. That's my opinion I dont give a **** what the world thinks.

[kushking]

As much as everybody is sucking Lopezs little Honduranian **** because of some personal hate for Loma you got the nerve. Kettle calling the pot black. Id rather be a fan (of a particular fighter) than a bandwagon like most of you so called "boxing superfans" that initially picked Loma to win and talked mad **** about Lopez claiming he was scared during their ESPN segment (cant remember the name of show) than you jumped ship to Lopez. What kind of fake ass **** is that?! I'm NOT so much of a fan of someone that Im going to be in denial if I felt they really lost! I am a bigger Miguel Cotto fan but I had to admit that he lost to Canelo while some said Cotto actually won. I wanted Hopkins to beat Calzaghe hella bad and was pissed because I KNEW Hopkins lost. But Lomachenko vs Lopez was an ABSOLUTELY A DRAW, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. That's my opinion I dont give a **** what the world thinks.

Hey ass,I was among the only ppl on here saying Lopez would win for over a year & was even surprised Loma would actually fight him because I told all you stans hed beat Lomas ass,I caught tons of flak from Loma fans,so stfu with your bs,you OBVIOUSLY don't know me

For the last few years I was among the only ones saying that Teo would be the 1st opponent that I would admit I was wrong about Loma entirely if he beat him. I was among the only ones on this site that said Fury definitely has the power to stop Wilder & that he should've attacked him in the 1st fight instead of running away,I literally said Fury would win the rematch potentially by Ko (because I said Wilder would quit & that he looked like he wanted to quit vs Ortiz)& for the longest time caught flak for it. (In other words I pick based on logic not who I'm a fan of,& I don't jump on bandwagons after being wrong,I picked Canelo to beat Ggg when everyone was saying hed get kod & wouldn't fight him)

So quit acting like you know wtf you're talking about,& if you read my comments you'll see I even said that I initially had Loma losing almost every rd but then rescored it,looked at compubox : discussed it with you all on here,then I admitted I can see why Loma fans had it close.

Its obvious though from your mail to Bread that you are biased & it shows with your bs compubox statistics you pulled out your ass.

[ShoulderRoll]

I've noticed both Teofimo and now Bread talking about the check hook being there all night for Ryan Garcia vs Campbell. Gonna keep an eye out for that during the fight later today.

I also thought Bread put together good fight plans for Pacquiao vs Spence and Crawford. Really enjoyed reading that.

[PittyPat]

Really enjoyed the breakdown of how he'd train Pacquiao for Spence and Crawford, plus the references to Bailey–Jones (which I found sooooo satisfying at the time because I couldn't stand the Mike Jones hype). Great insight into a trainer's mind. I would totally listen to a podcast of Bread.