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  • Kalonee
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    #1

    ''Big muscles make you bulky and slow''

    I'm just wondering, how do people say Weight Training and being big affects your boxing skills

    I mean, Let's take Anthony Joshua for example, he's almost 6'5, 235 pounds, his arms are so huge and he's still so succesfull

    But Maybe he's very tall so he has to be big.

    So let's take Mike Tyson. He was 5'9 or 5'10, somewhere around that and 220 pounds. I've seen videos of him in his prime where he'd just have that lightning speed when punching.

    So is lifting weights so forbidden overall? Will a fighter with big muscles who doesn't neglect his boxing, does his running, his cardio, eats well, and everything be worse than a slimmer boxer?
  • blowblow
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    #2
    perfect example is jorge kahwagi.. just search him in youtube..

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    • 4truth
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      #3
      Originally posted by Kalonee
      I'm just wondering, how do people say Weight Training and being big affects your boxing skills

      I mean, Let's take Anthony Joshua for example, he's almost 6'5, 235 pounds, his arms are so huge and he's still so succesfull

      But Maybe he's very tall so he has to be big.

      So let's take Mike Tyson. He was 5'9 or 5'10, somewhere around that and 220 pounds. I've seen videos of him in his prime where he'd just have that lightning speed when punching.

      So is lifting weights so forbidden overall? Will a fighter with big muscles who doesn't neglect his boxing, does his running, his cardio, eats well, and everything be worse than a slimmer boxer?
      Joshua is an excellent example. See 250 pound Joshua before Ruiz 1. See leaner and faster Joshua with more stamina for Ruiz 2. Fat as Ruiz was for the second fight I think he eventually gets to and stops 250 Joshua.

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      • Larry the boss
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        #4
        Muscles require a lot of oxygen

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        • Ryn0
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          #5
          Originally posted by blowblow
          perfect example is jorge kahwagi.. just search him in youtube..
          You know his muscles aren't real bro?

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          • PRINCEKOOL
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            #6
            When you weight train, what you are trying to do is? Increase your power to weight ratio 'The primary goal is not to gain muscle mass, but THAT will happen naturally' But if you gain muscle mass, as well as getting stronger? Then you will know, that effectively you are improving our power to weight ratio.

            Power to weight ratio is 'How strong you are in relation to your body weight'.

            For example: A formula 1 car has a greater power to weight ratio when compared to a truck. And because it has this greater power to weight ratio, the formula 1 car is more explosive and has a faster acceleration in comparison to the truck 'Formula 1 cars are light, but extremely powerful'.

            You can apply these same philosophies to your own body.

            Anthony Joshua is probably way more stronger than the normal 235-240 pound man.

            Note: I don't think weight training is forbidden, but it is how your train. Body building routines for boxers are completely useless etc And then of course you have to condition the muscle, and work on flexibility.
            Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 12-29-2020, 04:14 PM.

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            • Earl-Hickey
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              #7
              There's a law of diminishing returns.

              A certain amount of muscle is going to help but once you get too big it becomes a drain on you.

              Everyone can naturally carry a certain amount of muscle well and it's different for everyone, an example at heavyweight would be Mike Tyson, he was very well muscled, not like a bulked up bodybuilder but he had a good amount of muscle even when he was 16

              AJ by contrast is naturally a tall slender guy, he operates well in the 230 to 240 range with a strong athletic physique but when he went up to 250+ and was all bulked up and looked massive, his body isn't supposed to carry that amount of muscle

              More muscle = more blood being pumped around, it uses more "fuel" which is why strongmen and bodybuilders have garbage stamina.

              Works the same way with like marathon runners being really skinny and sprinters being more muscular, its different types of athlete.

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              • nino brown21
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                #8
                Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
                There's a law of diminishing returns.

                A certain amount of muscle is going to help but once you get too big it becomes a drain on you.

                Everyone can naturally carry a certain amount of muscle well and it's different for everyone, an example at heavyweight would be Mike Tyson, he was very well muscled, not like a bulked up bodybuilder but he had a good amount of muscle even when he was 16

                AJ by contrast is naturally a tall slender guy, he operates well in the 230 to 240 range with a strong athletic physique but when he went up to 250+ and was all bulked up and looked massive, his body isn't supposed to carry that amount of muscle

                More muscle = more blood being pumped around, it uses more "fuel" which is why strongmen and bodybuilders have garbage stamina.

                Works the same way with like marathon runners being really skinny and sprinters being more muscular, its different types of athlete.
                Ya dubois and yards were bulky AF n eventually got knocked out . I'm sure dubois would've gittwn stopped eventually

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                • Roadblock
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                  #9
                  High weight low rep is no good where low weight high rep is good for boxing, its all about strength conditioning not building bulk.

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                  • TheBoxGod
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                    #10
                    Everything is tailored to individual's own requirements sort of speak.

                    For example lets use AJ, AJ can appear to be big and bulky to us but to him he can feel just fine and have absolutely no change to any of his output. Every fighter has to meet a minimum requirement to be able to keep producing the same way and what I mean by that is say AJ KO power for example; Its a combination of speed + force, so to AJ he has a minimum requirement of speed he has to meet and a minimum requirement of force he has to meet to produce a KO punch. Now imagine if AJ put on size to the point he no longer can meet that minimum amount of speed required cause the muscle slowed him down well that also means he wont be able to produce a KO punch forhimself anymore and thats when you got too big to stay productive.

                    So to answer your question lifting weights and putting on muscle is not a bad at all, its only perceived a bad thing because boxing is regulated by weight classes and putting on muscles will grow you out of a division. So as long as you can still keep meeting your minimum requirements of XYZ that has made your boxing career successful you can put on as much muscle as you like (weight classes being ignored and all).
                    Last edited by TheBoxGod; 12-29-2020, 07:03 PM.

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