Who is better - Andrade or Jermall?

[just the facts]

In a head to head fight I'd have to favor Charlo slightly. Only because he's been in with better opposition. Boring fight though.

How many boring fights has Charlo been in?

[KTFOKING]

I just can't see giving Derevyanchenko the Charlo fight. Even Derevyanchenko and his team conceded that loss.

As for the question at hand, neither is unbeatable but they look to be very good fighters. Doubt anyone, including Canelo has a easy time with them.

[Boxing-1013]

This poll is very confusing. I think both are very good but if I check that option I can't vote for who I think is the better fighter.

That's fair. Can't alter the poll unfortunately after starting it. That wouldn't have been a bad idea.

[Boxing-1013]

And there’s that pro ggg/anti Charlo agenda again.

? You have a really warped sense of reality lol.

Why would I be anti-Charlo, but pro-Andrade, in that sense? Some of you guys live in a fantasy world, unable to think to Step 2 in logical analyses.

[Boxing-1013]

I just can't see giving Derevyanchenko the Charlo fight. Even Derevyanchenko and his team conceded that loss.

As for the question at hand, neither is unbeatable but they look to be very good fighters. Doubt anyone, including Canelo has a easy time with them.

Agree with the second paragraph. I've never seen Derevy complain about anything to be fair to him. He really exceeded expectations against GGG (and Jacobs in a way), but didn't against Charlo. When you underperform relative to expectations, it is to harder to claim a robbery.

I didn't watch Charlo-Derevy live. When I did watch, I was surprised by the narrative many were espousing. I really feel like PBC and co. were going to write the narrative of that fight before it happened - which was basically 'Charlo beats Derevy easier, way better than Jacobs and GGG'. All in an effort to get him some shine and publicity.

That's how PBC would try to build their star's profile, in absence of a fight with a bigger name. To come out and say he dominated a fighter the next level down. Idk I just didn't see it at all. Was the same as all of Derevy's fights that I've seen.

He never stops coming forward and lands a lot of punches. But also takes a good number as well. Idk was not seeing any type of dominant performance from Charlo. It was a really close fight.

[KTFOKING]

Agree with the second paragraph. I've never seen Derevy complain about anything to be fair to him. He really exceeded expectations against GGG (and Jacobs in a way), but didn't against Charlo. When you underperform relative to expectations, it is to harder to claim a robbery.

I didn't watch Charlo-Derevy live. When I did watch, I was surprised by the narrative many were espousing. I really feel like PBC and co. were going to write the narrative of that fight before it happened - which was basically 'Charlo beats Derevy easier, way better than Jacobs and GGG'. All in an effort to get him some shine and publicity.

That's how PBC would try to build their star's profile, in absence of a fight with a bigger name. To come out and say he dominated a fighter the next level down. Idk I just didn't see it at all. Was the same as all of Derevy's fights that I've seen.

He never stops coming forward and lands a lot of punches. But also takes a good number as well. Idk was not seeing any type of dominant performance from Charlo. It was a really close fight.

It was competitive but I didn't see a really close fight. Charlo was doing far more damage with his shots and his jab was the most effective shot of the fight. Derevyanchenko fought hard like he always does, but he didn't have a case of winning this fight like he may have against GGG/Jacobs IMO.

Andre Rozier himself stated to Keith Idec after the fight that Charlo was the better man and Derevyanchenko wasn't able to have the same amount of success as he did against GGG.

But anyways, Charlo can be out boxed but he has a very good jab and chin. He is a good counter puncher and Andrade has a unique style that is effective. I'm not sure about Andrade's chin though at the elite level. Either fighter could win this match up and I wouldn't be surprised if Andrade is out boxing Charlo before getting hurt and stopped late.

[bballchump11]

Andrade's best win is Vanes where got knocked down with a light punch.

[GhostofDempsey]

How many boring fights has Charlo been in?

Quite a few. He's not particularly interesting. He's either in with a mismatched opponent or his opponent is trying to make the fight.

[Boxing-1013]

And there’s that pro ggg/anti Charlo agenda again.

Let me try to help you out and break it down to steps 2 and 3 and 4 etc. Try to keep up:

You say anti-Charlo pro-GGG. I've always said of all the other guys around 160, Charlo posed the biggest threat to beat GGG, because of his athleticism and punching power, and GGG aging and never being the most spry anyway. That's not an anti-Charlo pro-GGG agenda.

If I'm really pro-GGG, why am I hyping up Andrade's win over Sulecki, when Sulecki had a 7-5 type loss to Jacobs in a very competitive fight. And Jacobs had an 8-4 type loss to GGG in a competitive fight.

If you really wanted to use triangle theories to pick exact outcomes in fights, which is dumb, then you would say GGG would beat Sulecki easily but Sulecki would win 2-3 rounds. Andrade dominated Sulecki better than that. How is that a pro-GGG agenda?

If you look at the fight scores from both sides, Charlo beating Derevy 8-4, or losing to him 7-5, and GGG beating Derevy 6-6, or losing 7-5, is not in any way an indication of who would win that fight between GGG and Charlo.

All those fights show, regardless of how you scored or saw them, is that those 3 guys are in the same general group. All Andrade showed is that he is way superior to Sulecki, who again was close with Jacobs, who was competitive with GGG. How is that a pro-GGG agenda?

So gtfoh with your dumba.ss. If you're going to accuse someone of something at least make some fu.cking sense.

If I wanted to hate on guys like that, I would say Sulecki sucks etc. But I'm not a hater; I'm also not a dumbass, and I know how to score fights. It's not that hard when you don't really give a sh.it who wins the fight. Most guys on here have NO clue how that would feel.

[Ochoa780]

Picked charlo. Andrade just has t been in the ring with anyone, no way to tell