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Fair enough, my bad.
Personally, I didn't blame him for calling out Pacquiao given all the years of calling out Spence have led to nothing but people trying to discredit his career.
As for not being deserving, he was actually in line to fight Pacquiao before Spence, at least according to Arum and Freddie Roach.
For me, Manny needs to grab that McGregor money and ride off into the sunset. Let the young(ish) lions battle it out.Comment
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We need to understand WHY his career is discredited.
It's because he doesn't seem to understand that what you have done in your CURRENT weight class is how you should be measured. "What have you done for me lately?"
Why is it that a prospect can spark out someone in 1 round and not get called #1 P4P, but Crawford can drop 3 rounds and knock out the ghost of Kell Brook, getting two-pieced, wobbled and dropped by an unknown, getting jabbed to death for 6 rounds, and somehow get called a world beater? It makes no sense.
I mean technically people should be calling Berlanga #1 P4P if it's all about "eye test" knockouts because his knockouts are better than Crawford's....?
The reason is that people are still saying "but 140 doe!" it doesn't matter anymore. Even if he went back to 140, the whole division is different and I would argue, has more dangerous opposition. He'd be a weight bully, but at least he'd be able to fight credible challenges.
Then you got Arum going on shows talking about a $1 million offer to Porter - and people STILL don't get that they're not serious about a fight and never have been. A quality fight with a very dangerous opponent in his prime is worth $1 million after paying the ghost of Amir Khan $5 million?
Think about it. If Porter's only worth $1 million after taking Spence to his absolute limits in a championship fight, they're definitely lowballing Spence. Why should they take the fight?Comment
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The thing is, elite wins at 147 are thin on the ground across the board.
Spence has the shell of Kell Brook and went life and death with Porter.
Porter has who? Malignaggi? Broner? Alexander?
Danny has who? Guerrero?
Thurman has Porter and Danny how long ago now? How far away is he from that kind of form?
You can knock Kavaliukas etc but you can't tell he stands no chance against a Danny Garcia if your being objective. As for 140, he washed Postol who arguably should be champion today.
When Spence/Crawford became a thing, what did Spence say? "Hopefully he gets that belt from Jeff Horn and then we can talk". Then all of sudden Jeff Horn's belt wasn't good enough.
I fully understand Porter wanting more than 1 million for the fight but with Arum publicly saying he's done spending on Crawford, he's not going to get 5 out of him. Go to purse bids and drag him over to Fox. Or have him vacate and put the whole conversation to bed.Comment
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Brook had ONE loss when Spence beat him, was still IBF champion and was still highly ranked.
EVERYONE goes "life or death" with Porter. Nobody gets out safe. That's what makes him a quality opponent on the resume.
He arguably beat Keef, too.
Meanwhile, NSB swore up and down that prime Algieri would outbox him - Spence proceeded to be the first and so far only person to stop Algieri. Something even Manny couldn't do. And lest we forget that Bradley ducked Algieri when Algieri said he was faster than Bradley.
Then IBF champion. Yes.
Then IBF champion. Yes.
And Danny Swift - who at the time only had one loss, and with the win over Swift, won the WBC title denied him when Keef got injured and couldn't do a rematch of the fight he arguably won. That's three championship reigns at the upper level and he still has the WBC Silver he got after blowing out Formella (IBO Welterweight Champion) - which basically makes him mandatory.
You can discredit all you care to - the fact is, Porter has chased and won championship gold on multiple occasions AT welterweight and nobody has come close to blowing him out or knocking him out. He's credible.
Danny's 147 is defined by a similar fact to Porter; prior to Spence, Danny had NEVER come close to getting blown out. Even against Spence he managed to get 4 rounds off. He's never come close to getting knocked out, he's a tough out for anyone and everyone he fights.
But here's the thing, dude.
Danny Swift's popularity with the rankings is due to his 140, which was more dominant against greater opposition than Crawford's 140.
If people want to keep calling Crawford great because of his 140 while ignoring his poor 147, then Danny Swift should be #1 P4P because of his 140. Otherwise, we need to compare apples to apples (147 to 147) and remember that the people that Danny has officially lost to at 147 would destroy every single one of Crawford's wins at 147.
Lest you forget that Keef has thus far only ever lost to The Greatest Offensive Fighter AND in that loss it was razor thin close.
People look at the Josesito round which was bad and assume he's completely gone. He's not physically gone, he's not as mentally strong as someone like Spence. Remember - Bundu took "One Time" the full 12 while Spence had him out of there in 6; Keef barely hurt Porter while Spence dropped him.
Keef is not a situation of being out of form. He has to find himself mentally. He knows that, which is why he tried to get a Crawford fight (which I maintain he wins due to style). Spence might have been onto something when he said he wanted a tough fight back to push himself back into form.
Let's not forget, this is a guy who went to a draw with Ray Robinson yet somehow managed to put Crawford to a knee? And you think that this guy is going to have a chance against a guy that even Spence couldn't drop with flush shots and Porter BARELY got past?
Come on man. You're better than this.
You're rewriting history.
After that belt was won, Crawford asked for 50/50 split.
Spence said - guess it isn't happening, because he's not getting 50/50. THEN he said he'd take the easy route and deal with Shawn Porter. The "easy route" he referred to is not having to negotiate split hardly at all, being under the same banner. It was shade thrown at Bob Arum who was standing nearby.
Now, fast forward and Spence has two titles while Crawford still only has one AND has not challenged (with a serious offer) for another. Who made the smarter decision?
Here's the thing. Porter doesn't even want WBO. He wants to test himself and he's not a fan of rematches in general. He'll do it if it means the WBC or IBF title. But he's specifically said he prefers to fight Crawford over rematching Spence because it'd be new, different. He's as throwback as it gets. That's why he didn't take Formella's IBO title when he could have. At the same time, he wouldn't turn down a call to fight Spence again, but he knows that call likely won't happen because Spence wants Manny - and Pacquiao/Spence is actually a great unification to have right now because both guys are established.
The thing many of you guys don't get about WHY some of us want Crawford to fight Porter: you can call out "eye test" all you care to. I need guys to PROVE themselves against DIFFICULT opposition.
It's easy to knockout someone you're supposed to knockout. Can you knock out someone you're NOT supposed to knock out?
That's how you get my respect.
So let's go down your list.
When Danny Swift sparked Khan, people say "well Khan had a glass chin" - Khan was LINEAL champion at 140 and had only ever been knocked out the one time, having dominated otherwise, prior to meeting Danny. Danny is and was slow as molasses and Khan fast as all hell. On paper, Khan should have washed Danny Swift like he did Salita. Instead, Danny did what nobody thought he could do. Got my respect.
When Keef pulled off what Ricky Hatton, Victor Ortiz, Shane Mosley and Andre Berto failed to do - which is make Luis Collazo quit - he got my respect. Nobody has come close to that accomplishment before or since. That was the last time we saw the best of Keef.Comment
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He lost me at "A Porter rematch may be good", and then went on to mention Ugas.Comment
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