Comments Thread For: Spence: Pacquiao Fight Is Up To Him; I Like Ugas, He's A Real Fighter - I Don't Know About Thurman

[Bronx2245]

He and Spence are the match up being talked about, at least from what Keef says.

I hope not! Much rather see Spence vs. Pacquiao, Ugas, or Ennis!

[peplz]

We need to understand WHY his career is discredited.

It's because he doesn't seem to understand that what you have done in your CURRENT weight class is how you should be measured. "What have you done for me lately?"

Why is it that a prospect can spark out someone in 1 round and not get called #1 P4P, but Crawford can drop 3 rounds and knock out the ghost of Kell Brook, getting two-pieced, wobbled and dropped by an unknown, getting jabbed to death for 6 rounds, and somehow get called a world beater? It makes no sense.

I mean technically people should be calling Berlanga #1 P4P if it's all about "eye test" knockouts because his knockouts are better than Crawford's....?

The reason is that people are still saying "but 140 doe!" it doesn't matter anymore. Even if he went back to 140, the whole division is different and I would argue, has more dangerous opposition. He'd be a weight bully, but at least he'd be able to fight credible challenges.

Then you got Arum going on shows talking about a $1 million offer to Porter - and people STILL don't get that they're not serious about a fight and never have been. A quality fight with a very dangerous opponent in his prime is worth $1 million after paying the ghost of Amir Khan $5 million?

Think about it. If Porter's only worth $1 million after taking Spence to his absolute limits in a championship fight, they're definitely lowballing Spence. Why should they take the fight?

Attempting to discredit Crawford’s career does not validate Spence’s excuses. It just forces Spence’s fans to become petty nitpicking complainers that write long form essays begging the world to hate on one of the best fighters in the sport right now.

[DaNeutral.]

Are we all agreed that Crawford smashes Spence up and takes his belt? Cuz it certainly seems Spence and the PBC are all agreed on it. Won't even mention his name. Do they think he will appear out of a mirror?

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When Spence made Texans look like Cowgirls with his ducking of Crawford. Petrified Boxing Chumps.

[Fire4231]

Got dam you wrote a novel. Excuses usually take longer to explain than expected though. Kinda like it takes a lie to cover up a lie.

Bro... I will write as long as I want. You lucky I responded because you aren’t really doing ish but trolling and playing make believe.

You simply provided an excellent opportunity to make a point. ESPN has y’all running around looking as bad as these Hearn Bots.

Bud is going to have to make a tough decision one way or the other and business 101 says PBC is not bailing Top Rank guys out.

[peplz]

Bro... I will write as long as I want. You lucky I responded because you aren’t really doing ish but trolling and playing make believe.

You simply provided an excellent opportunity to make a point. ESPN has y’all running around looking as bad as these Hearn Bots.

Bud is going to have to make a tough decision one way or the other and business 101 says PBC is not bailing Top Rank guys out.

You really shouldn’t respond to me cause you’re just making yourself sound crazy. You wrote as long as you felt like you needed to explain your wacky views and be on some petty nitpicking nonsense that only boxing forum dorks even care about. Regular people and authentic boxing fans are not PBC vs Bob Arum. All they care about is seeing a fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence.

[Cobra Curry]

Brook had ONE loss when Spence beat him, was still IBF champion and was still highly ranked.





EVERYONE goes "life or death" with Porter. Nobody gets out safe. That's what makes him a quality opponent on the resume.

He arguably beat Keef, too.


Meanwhile, NSB swore up and down that prime Algieri would outbox him - Spence proceeded to be the first and so far only person to stop Algieri. Something even Manny couldn't do. And lest we forget that Bradley ducked Algieri when Algieri said he was faster than Bradley.



Then IBF champion. Yes.




Then IBF champion. Yes.

And Danny Swift - who at the time only had one loss, and with the win over Swift, won the WBC title denied him when Keef got injured and couldn't do a rematch of the fight he arguably won. That's three championship reigns at the upper level and he still has the WBC Silver he got after blowing out Formella (IBO Welterweight Champion) - which basically makes him mandatory.

You can discredit all you care to - the fact is, Porter has chased and won championship gold on multiple occasions AT welterweight and nobody has come close to blowing him out or knocking him out. He's credible.



Danny's 147 is defined by a similar fact to Porter; prior to Spence, Danny had NEVER come close to getting blown out. Even against Spence he managed to get 4 rounds off. He's never come close to getting knocked out, he's a tough out for anyone and everyone he fights.

But here's the thing, dude.

Danny Swift's popularity with the rankings is due to his 140, which was more dominant against greater opposition than Crawford's 140.

If people want to keep calling Crawford great because of his 140 while ignoring his poor 147, then Danny Swift should be #1 P4P because of his 140. Otherwise, we need to compare apples to apples (147 to 147) and remember that the people that Danny has officially lost to at 147 would destroy every single one of Crawford's wins at 147.



Lest you forget that Keef has thus far only ever lost to The Greatest Offensive Fighter AND in that loss it was razor thin close.

People look at the Josesito round which was bad and assume he's completely gone. He's not physically gone, he's not as mentally strong as someone like Spence. Remember - Bundu took "One Time" the full 12 while Spence had him out of there in 6; Keef barely hurt Porter while Spence dropped him.

Keef is not a situation of being out of form. He has to find himself mentally. He knows that, which is why he tried to get a Crawford fight (which I maintain he wins due to style). Spence might have been onto something when he said he wanted a tough fight back to push himself back into form.


Let's not forget, this is a guy who went to a draw with Ray Robinson yet somehow managed to put Crawford to a knee? And you think that this guy is going to have a chance against a guy that even Spence couldn't drop with flush shots and Porter BARELY got past?

Come on man. You're better than this.



You're rewriting history.

After that belt was won, Crawford asked for 50/50 split.

Spence said - guess it isn't happening, because he's not getting 50/50. THEN he said he'd take the easy route and deal with Shawn Porter. The "easy route" he referred to is not having to negotiate split hardly at all, being under the same banner. It was shade thrown at Bob Arum who was standing nearby.

Now, fast forward and Spence has two titles while Crawford still only has one AND has not challenged (with a serious offer) for another. Who made the smarter decision?




Here's the thing. Porter doesn't even want WBO. He wants to test himself and he's not a fan of rematches in general. He'll do it if it means the WBC or IBF title. But he's specifically said he prefers to fight Crawford over rematching Spence because it'd be new, different. He's as throwback as it gets. That's why he didn't take Formella's IBO title when he could have. At the same time, he wouldn't turn down a call to fight Spence again, but he knows that call likely won't happen because Spence wants Manny - and Pacquiao/Spence is actually a great unification to have right now because both guys are established.

The thing many of you guys don't get about WHY some of us want Crawford to fight Porter: you can call out "eye test" all you care to. I need guys to PROVE themselves against DIFFICULT opposition.

It's easy to knockout someone you're supposed to knockout. Can you knock out someone you're NOT supposed to knock out?

That's how you get my respect.

So let's go down your list.

When Danny Swift sparked Khan, people say "well Khan had a glass chin" - Khan was LINEAL champion at 140 and had only ever been knocked out the one time, having dominated otherwise, prior to meeting Danny. Danny is and was slow as molasses and Khan fast as all hell. On paper, Khan should have washed Danny Swift like he did Salita. Instead, Danny did what nobody thought he could do. Got my respect.

When Keef pulled off what Ricky Hatton, Victor Ortiz, Shane Mosley and Andre Berto failed to do - which is make Luis Collazo quit - he got my respect. Nobody has come close to that accomplishment before or since. That was the last time we saw the best of Keef.

I didn't see Kell Brook go life and death with Porter. Then again, that was before the Golovkin fight...

I don't see the problem with Crawford calling for 50/50 after winning his third weight class championship. As a newly crowned champion, Spence hadn't done anything to separate himself from Crawford.
I'm sure you'll claim that since then he's become a PPV star but as we've previously discussed, he leans too heavily on his opponent for that to be the case for me.

If Malignaggi and Alexander are elite wins, then so is Horn. If we're hanging the drum for Thurman after a loss to Pacquiao, how can we not give props to Horn after a win over him?

Credit for Danny's run at 140? Cool, no problem. The crown ***el of that run is Amir Khan. Is he better than Postol? No. Is he, for all his talent, a serial knockout victim? Yes.

Ray Robinson is a defensive southpaw. Porter, who's been dropped more than once, and Danny, who's not the biggest guy, will stand and fight for the most part. I sincerely believe that neither has an easy time of it against Kavaliukas but hey, maybe that's just me.

I can fully believe that Porter, or perhaps more importantly the PBC, don't really want the WBO title.
However, if Porter wants the fight and doesn't like what Bob's offering, what's stopping Uncle Al from putting some money up for his guy? Perfect opportunity to take some shine from Crawford, on home turf. The belt can easily be discarded as we saw post May/Pac.

Apologies for the late reply by the way, I misplaced my phone.

[Fire4231]

LMAO- Let’s make this digestible for the guys who can’t read or learn well...

[QUOTE=peplz;20988352]You really shouldn’t respond to me cause you’re just making yourself sound crazy.

Lol... Yet you still have not made one ****ing point or explained anything I said away.

You wrote as long as you felt like you needed to explain your wacky views

Yet you still have not wrote one ****ing point or explained anything I said away.

and be on some petty nitpicking nonsense that only boxing forum dorks even care about.

Now without making a point you called this forum a bunch of boxing forum dorks.

Regular people and authentic boxing fans are not PBC vs Bob Arum.

Says the guy who is bypassing business logic to play Team Crawford vs business reality.

All they care about is seeing a fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence.

So what does that have to do with you? Do you really think team Crawford barking loud orders with no leverage, power or options from his own anti-promotional company “also proven not to work with competitors,” is going to make this fight happen?

Look her bro, at 147 PBC is positioned well for performance and growth and Top Rank is not. No functional business is giving up that advantage because Arum’s cheap pork rind of a body is failing to assist his best fighters career.

In closing, you are on the side of absolute ****** and don’t even know it. As much as I do like Bud as a fighter, he needs to understand one thing.

Either you get down or lay down. Why... because there is nothing to sell on your block and his own supplier won’t even meet with him.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I didn't see Kell Brook go life and death with Porter. Then again, that was before the Golovkin fight...

Brook was clinching like the world was going to end. He had it ROUGH.

I don't see the problem with Crawford calling for 50/50 after winning his third weight class championship. As a newly crowned champion, Spence hadn't done anything to separate himself from Crawford.
I'm sure you'll claim that since then he's become a PPV star but as we've previously discussed, he leans too heavily on his opponent for that to be the case for me.

He was new to the division.

It's like people don't understand, division resume is a thing, too. That's part of the reason why Floyd was B-Side against Oscar, he was new to the division, but beat a top guy.

Think about it logically. Shawn Porter is IBF, WBC and WBO mandatory. He's positioned himself well. Crawford on the other hand is on an island. That island is created by the fact that Fox doesn't care about WBO.

What I'm saying is, Crawford did what Spence said, get a belt, but he went after the one that wasn't going to lead to greatness. He would have been better off challenging Lucas for his WBA. But that would have forced him to fight Keef at some point, and I honestly think BoMac convinced him not to do that.

If Malignaggi and Alexander are elite wins, then so is Horn.

Problem is, Porter beat them with no asterisks on THEIR turf.

1. Crawford refused to fight Horn in Australia.

2. Crawford faked a hand injury weeks before the fight, which threw off Horn's fight camp and travel timing.

3. Horn was stopped on his feet and Crawford was windmilling like Wilder against Gerald Washington when the ref jumped in. I have the footage, Crawford barely landed anything and Horn was still throwing.

If we're hanging the drum for Thurman after a loss to Pacquiao, how can we not give props to Horn after a win over him?

See above.

THE ONLY thing I say, is that Horn should have gotten an immediate rematch just like Keef deserved an immediate rematch. Both fights failed to really answer anything.

Credit for Danny's run at 140? Cool, no problem. The crown ***el of that run is Amir Khan. Is he better than Postol? No. Is he, for all his talent, a serial knockout victim? Yes.

ONCE AGAIN, you're rewriting history.

Khan AT THAT TIME, that version, would have put it on the version of Postol that Crawford stared at for 8 rounds.

I can fully believe that Porter, or perhaps more importantly the PBC, don't really want the WBO title.
However, if Porter wants the fight and doesn't like what Bob's offering, what's stopping Uncle Al from putting some money up for his guy? Perfect opportunity to take some shine from Crawford, on home turf. The belt can easily be discarded as we saw post May/Pac.

Al Haymon has no stake in how much Porter makes. Porter is his own promoter. Porter can take whatever he wants to take.

I explained the PBC model elsewhere.

Meanwhile, Crawford has a boss. He can't make fights unless Bob Arum comes out of pocket.


Re: your phone. I want to help.

See, there's this cool thing called a "computer"....

(And BTW, the site works way better on computer. Get to see my beautiful avi.)

[peplz]

[QUOTE=Fire4231;20989645]LMAO- Let’s make this digestible for the guys who can’t read or learn well...

You really shouldn’t respond to me cause you’re just making yourself sound crazy.

Lol... Yet you still have not made one ****ing point or explained anything I said away.

You wrote as long as you felt like you needed to explain your wacky views

Yet you still have not wrote one ****ing point or explained anything I said away.

and be on some petty nitpicking nonsense that only boxing forum dorks even care about.

Now without making a point you called this forum a bunch of boxing forum dorks.

Regular people and authentic boxing fans are not PBC vs Bob Arum.

Says the guy who is bypassing business logic to play Team Crawford vs business reality.

All they care about is seeing a fight between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence.

So what does that have to do with you? Do you really think team Crawford barking loud orders with no leverage, power or options from his own anti-promotional company “also proven not to work with competitors,” is going to make this fight happen?

Look her bro, at 147 PBC is positioned well for performance and growth and Top Rank is not. No functional business is giving up that advantage because Arum’s cheap pork rind of a body is failing to assist his best fighters career.

In closing, you are on the side of absolute ****** and don’t even know it. As much as I do like Bud as a fighter, he needs to understand one thing.

Either you get down or lay down. Why... because there is nothing to sell on your block and his own supplier won’t even meet with him.

The only point that needs to be made is that you PBC fans and BOXING FORUM DORKS are just full of long winded hot air and excuses. And I don’t need to make that point to make that point. All I’m doing is pointing it out. The rest is evident in long ridiculous posts filled with elaborate analogies trying to posit some sort of pseudo business expertise to build up and fortify excuses, like the one you just wrote.