John Ryder could move, bully Smith around, but Canelo can’t? Juicing?

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  • Thuglife Nelo
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    John Ryder could move, bully Smith around, but Canelo can’t? Juicing?

    “John Ryder without a doubt beat Smith.”

    So Smith’s engine for 12 rounds is a style that Canelo isn’t known for. In fact, “Canelo has Stamina issues...” and is the reason why he pounced Smith the way Ryder did?

    Do Canelo haters even think.. for a second?

    If any of you actually spar, try doing what Ryder did for JUST 4 ROUNDS and move a guy BIGGER THAN YOU like Smith, meaning, to clinch or PUSH against that weight with Ryder’s output. Your fat asses would fold!

    All Canelo has to do is have YOU MISS, discourage you, and counter to hurt you to the body. Fielding weighed way more than Ryder. How could Ryder last Smith’s POWER but Fielding can’t? Didn’t Smith destroy Fielding in one round? Isn’t that the narrative? That Smith couldn’t hurt Canelo?

    You say Smith came to lose, so which is it? You could only use “roid” theory if Canelo had output like PAC or Ryder, or if Smith attacked Canelo 4x more what he threw but couldn’t hurt Canelo.
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    I doubt that Ryder was juicing

    he just got up for that fight, and Smith did not... his style also matched well against the more conservative Smith

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      #3
      Originally posted by aboutfkntime
      I doubt that Ryder was juicing

      he just got up for that fight, and Smith did not... his style also matched well against the more conservative Smith
      I’m saying the nature of being spent with stamina is always related to workrate and how much effort you do against your opponent. That’s not theory, that’s sparring rules towards professional fighting.

      Ryder’s performance was like Chris Eubank’s style. Super athletic fighters can do that, but sometimes power is removed. Probably why Porter lacks punching power thru preference and prefers to smother opponents. If Porter or Ryder threw shots like Canelo they’d fade out. When you load up power shots it tires your heart more. It’s the basic nature of weight lifting. The early lifts are your best performances, you can’t do it repeatedly since the power is gone.

      This is why Canelo is conservative to only throw when needed. It’s the reason why GGg didn’t throw power shots against Canelo. GGg has been knowing to huff and puff at the stool for years. GGg can only hit off power shots with opponents whom are inferior with skills

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        Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
        I’m saying the nature of being spent with stamina is always related to workrate and how much effort you do against your opponent. That’s not theory, that’s sparring rules towards professional fighting.

        Ryder’s performance was like Chris Eubank’s style. Super athletic fighters can do that, but sometimes power is removed. Probably why Porter lacks punching power thru preference and prefers to smother opponents. If Porter or Ryder threw shots like Canelo they’d fade out. When you load up power shots it tires your heart more. It’s the basic nature of weight lifting. The early lifts are your best performances, you can’t do it repeatedly since the power is gone.

        This is why Canelo is conservative to only throw when needed. It’s the reason why GGg didn’t throw power shots against Canelo. GGg has been knowing to huff and puff at the stool for years. GGg can only hit off power shots with opponents whom are inferior with skills



        that boils down to a lot of things

        how easy a fighter makes weight... how much they rehydrate... how relaxed a fighter is... how a fighter breathes... how good is a fighters core... how much roadwork they did...

        Golovkin was hesitant for the same reason Chavez, Jacobs, Kovalev, and Smith were hesitant... because Canelo is sharp and punishing

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          #5
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime
          that boils down to a lot of things

          how easy a fighter makes weight... how much they rehydrate... how relaxed a fighter is... how a fighter breathes... how good is a fighters core... how much roadwork they did...

          Golovkin was hesitant for the same reason Chavez, Jacobs, Kovalev, and Smith were hesitant... because Canelo is sharp and punishing
          I agree 100%. Now if Canelo was performing like Pac-Man WITH A weight drain then I’d concede to something... but even with Canelo filled at the scale at his comfortable weight Canelo would be able to perform even better than his traditional years YET he still doesn’t perform like Ryder or Eubank. Instead he conserves his power and makes his opponents miss. This is how Floyd performed. That’s why Floyd didn’t tire out nor worry

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            #6
            Originally posted by To Be Frank Doe
            “John Ryder without a doubt beat Smith.”

            So Smith’s engine for 12 rounds is a style that Canelo isn’t known for. In fact, “Canelo has Stamina issues...” and is the reason why he pounced Smith the way Ryder did?

            Do Canelo haters even think.. for a second?

            If any of you actually spar, try doing what Ryder did for JUST 4 ROUNDS and move a guy BIGGER THAN YOU like Smith, meaning, to clinch or PUSH against that weight with Ryder’s output. Your fat asses would fold!

            All Canelo has to do is have YOU MISS, discourage you, and counter to hurt you to the body. Fielding weighed way more than Ryder. How could Ryder last Smith’s POWER but Fielding can’t? Didn’t Smith destroy Fielding in one round? Isn’t that the narrative? That Smith couldn’t hurt Canelo?

            You say Smith came to lose, so which is it? You could only use “roid” theory if Canelo had output like PAC or Ryder, or if Smith attacked Canelo 4x more what he threw but couldn’t hurt Canelo.
            canelo is the juicer and caught twice the rest is just speculation

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              #7
              Originally posted by saopaulo
              canelo is the juicer and caught twice the rest is just speculation
              That’s great! WADA changed their whole research for sports worldwide to allow juicing!

              It means Mexican tacos are the most beloved food that it transcends into sports!

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                #8
                Don’t listen to these haters bro next think you know they’ll be saying canelo has super powers so it’s unfair for his opponents lol

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                • Thuglife Nelo
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by kidbazooka1
                  Don’t listen to these haters bro next think you know they’ll be saying canelo has super powers so it’s unfair for his opponents lol
                  Wait, they say Canelo was juiced and was the reason why Smith quit nor engage!

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                    #10
                    Canelo seemed to be able to move and bully Smith around the ring just fine, not sure what fight you were watching

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