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  • aboutfkntime
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    #111
    Originally posted by Real King Kong
    He was considered the best mw after he beat Hopkins who put forth notably pedestrian efforts in both fights and was widely criticized for it. Taylor did nothing remotely great before or after.

    I mean, with all the knowledge you claim to have, I was expecting you to explain what traits made him “outstanding” or speak on his technical ability or something. Nope lol.




    beating a ATG... TWICE... was outstanding!


    e.g.
    that is MUCH better than scraping past Danny Jacobs, and beating Pepe Le Pew


    just saying

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      #112
      Originally posted by Boxing-1013
      I've honestly seen less crazy claims from people on here, pro-GGG, than I've seen for almost any other star really.

      Almost every GGG 'fan' on here seems willing to criticize him too. I don't recall seeing anyone saying he beat Sergei 10-2. whereas you have GGG haters who say he lost both fights to Canelo, lost to Jacobs, and Sergei lol. People just look silly on here with the over the top GGG hate.





      no, you have never been honest LMAO

      you have embarrassed yourself continually with some REALLY dumb shlt

      lets not forget that lol...

      Boxing1013 created a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld

      Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch

      but.....

      Boxing1013 had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool

      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=818903

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        #113
        Originally posted by aboutfkntime
        beating a ATG... TWICE... was outstanding!


        e.g.
        that is MUCH better than scraping past Danny Jacobs, and beating Pepe Le Pew


        just saying
        Everyone saw GGG beat Canelo twice, what's your point. He didn't go 24 rounds with Mercado either

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          #114
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime
          no, you have never been honest LMAO

          you have embarrassed yourself continually with some REALLY dumb shlt

          lets not forget that lol...
          Man when GGG is involved, you lose all ability to think logically, or read comprehensively

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            #115
            Originally posted by Boxing-1013
            Everyone saw GGG beat Canelo twice, what's your point. He didn't go 24 rounds with Mercado either



            nah, that is just garbage that the gggoof-ball shltheads repeat


            lucky that you aren't one of those

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              #116
              Originally posted by Boxing-1013
              Man when GGG is involved, you lose all ability to think logically, or read comprehensively


              I am not the dumb cvnt who did this...


              Boxing1013 created a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld

              Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch

              but.....

              Boxing1013 had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool

              https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=818903

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                #117
                Originally posted by Boxing-1013
                Man what a tremendously low bar to say Canelo gave GGG a boxing lesson in fight 2 lol. Canelo fought well, fought well in both fights really. But GGG is a tough matchup for him because GGG is a lot more active than Canelo. Canelo only fights in spurts, likely because he is worried about his stamina.

                That's why Canelo got outlanded by 50 punches in fight 1 and 30 in fight 2. Hardly a 'draw' and a boxing lesson....
                I had GGG winning in the first fight. I thought that was terrible judging.

                The second fight, GGG was coasting and got beat because of it. He had his good shots in but Canelo boxed him completely different and GGG had nothing for it. Made me lose money on him too. So it's not a biased thing.

                In any case, I don't see Hopkins getting knocked out and Hopkins is known for beating guys to decisions handedly. So, I gotta lean towards Hopkins but very slightly.

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                  nah, that is just garbage that the gggoof-ball shltheads repeat


                  lucky that you aren't one of those

                  They really weren't close man. Canelo isn't active enough, yet, to beat GGG. That and he hasn't been able to hurt him. Very possible he can hurt him in fight 3 though, or at least worry GGG enough to slow down GGG's pace. Didn't happen in the first 2 fights though.

                  The tape is out there. It doesn't lie.

                  Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                  I am not the dumb cvnt who did this...
                  The article from Weisfeld pointed out how judges score fights, and what they look for - as he said, all judges are scoring is what punches land, and how effective those punches are. I listed the article in efforts to help those on here, who seem to not really know how to score fights at all.

                  That Weisfeld scored a fight for Canelo is not relevant. We all know corruption exists in boxing. It happens all the time. Every weekend really.

                  3 key points

                  1 - knowing how to score a fight - Weisfeld knows how to

                  2 - being competent enough to know what you are seeing - Weisfeld is pretty good here too

                  3 - judges often times do what they are told, especially in important fights. Weisfeld obviously falls into this group too. If you want to work the big fights and get paid, you have to play the game.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by F l i c k e r
                    I had GGG winning in the first fight. I thought that was terrible judging.

                    The second fight, GGG was coasting and got beat because of it. He had his good shots in but Canelo boxed him completely different and GGG had nothing for it. Made me lose money on him too. So it's not a biased thing.

                    In any case, I don't see Hopkins getting knocked out and Hopkins is known for beating guys to decisions handedly. So, I gotta lean towards Hopkins but very slightly.
                    I was impressed with Canelo in both fights. I didn't think he could move like that going into fight 1, and didn't think his stamina would hold up either, but he impressed me, and at least lasted the distance.

                    Basically I saw him replicate the gameplan that Jacobs used vs GGG to at least go 12, but I didn't think Canelo had that in his arsenal.

                    In fight 2, he really impressed me with how he held the ring vs GGG. And even in round 5, I think, he was backing GGG up and making him fight on the back foot.

                    But that round kind of sums up the fight for me. Canelo did some good stuff and was impressive, but so did GGG, and GGG outworked him in that round, and in most rounds in the fight.

                    I've yet to see one round in either fight where I come away saying - clear Canelo round. GGG outlands him almost every round, and it's hard to find a round where Canelo outlands GGG by a few punches and lands the best shot or shots of the round.

                    Idk I just don't think those fights were THAT close or that hard to score. GGG got through on my cards because of the constant workrate and scoring with the jab. Canelo fights in spurts too much. If he had better stamina and could fight more actively, he truly would be a real ATG in my eyes. It is his only real flaw.

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                    Hopkins was so unpredictable, anything was possible. I think sometimes he had a great feel for the opponent and could shut them down. And other times he himself was a bit neutralized and made what should have been a win for him into a competitive fight.

                    I really have no idea how him and GGG would have matched up - GGG seems to land the jab on everyone, but Hopkins has a big reach advantage I assume, and would probably be the toughest guy to land the jab on. If GGG can find him with the jab, I favor GGG. If not you have to favor BHop.

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by Matt60
                      Two of the best Middleweights in history. Hopkins has the record of Middleweight defenses. GGG has the highest KO percentage. Who wins in their prime?
                      How is GGG a great MW? He's beaten nobody. He lost to Canelo in rematch, drew in 1st fight, lost to Dervenchenko, and arguably lost to Jacobs.

                      What am I missing? Did I miss an important news cast on Fox News or something? I'm out the loop

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