Comments Thread For: Shakur Stevenson: I'd Love To Retire Frampton - But Herring Beats Him

[Dr. Frank]

When is this effing Stevenson guy ever going to fight a live dog?
He's been lining up bums after bums after bums...
Time to step up boy! Stop wasting fans' time!

Don't get your hopes up.

[BlackR0bbb]

Thats not what Shakur's resume is saying to me. I think Bob was iffy on him for awhile earlier on, but now he's a title holding Olympic Silver Medalist who seems big enough to compete for titles in a couple more weight divisions before its all over. Thats a nice guy to have on your roster & if Bud leaves TR like some are guessing could happen in the near future + Loma already having lost that puts Shakur at higher importance long term for the company.

Agree with you on Berchelt vs Valdez. I think thats going to be a very bad night for Valdez. As Steve Kim says all the time square pegs don't die round. This coronavirus thing likely has given Valdez some extra time so maybe if he used it wisely it gives him more of a chance to prove us both wrong, but I don't think its very likely. I got it like 80/20 Berchelt & about 70/100 of that 80 is on Berchelt by KO.

As for the fights I'd like to see honestly its the same ole same ole for me. I just wanna see these top 3, top 5 guys fight each other waaaaay more often then they do. To some degree I don't even care which ones fight each other. Lets just get it moving a lil more.

And to me Shakur is right in that mix right now so he should be fighting any of these top 10 or top 10ish 130lb guys. Herring, Ito, Foster, Tevin vs JoJo II winner or loser if that rematch is happening & the Berchelt vs Valdez winner or loser. And my feeling is its unlikely he'll fight any of those guys in 2021. If he fights any of them it'll probably lean more towards a top 10ish guy who has holes big enough that the line is -500 Shakur best case.

I mostly agree with what you said. I just don't see Stevenson fighting cans for the entire 2021. He's definitely getting the winner of Herring-Frampton or fighting someone in the Top 3 for the vacant belt if the winner refuses. Ito would not be a competitive fight for Stevenson. I was thinking Cancio, but that would be a mismatch too. Possibly the Central American who stopped Cancio for a secondary title. Stevenson left featherweight because he was promised Warrington, but never got him. I expect Herring to get robbed if the Frampton fight is in the UK. I hope I'm wrong.

[Eff Pandas]

I mostly agree with what you said. I just don't see Stevenson fighting cans for the entire 2021. He's definitely getting the winner of Herring-Frampton or fighting someone in the Top 3 for the vacant belt if the winner refuses. Ito would not be a competitive fight for Stevenson. I was thinking Cancio, but that would be a mismatch too. Possibly the Central American who stopped Cancio for a secondary title. Stevenson left featherweight because he was promised Warrington, but never got him. I expect Herring to get robbed if the Frampton fight is in the UK. I hope I'm wrong.

Cancio is kinda got a name now so yea I could see him. And yea I suspect he gots to fight SOMEONE of note to get a belt right now cuz I think lotsa name guys got belts or last I checked that was the case. Maybe there is a random "regular" champ out there thats a soft touch. If thats out there I wouldn't be surprised at all if thats where Bob aims him.

The Herring vs Frampton winner would be a good fight & go a long way towards legitimizing Shakur to some hardcores who are critical of him like myself. That'd be his best opponent by a mile & winning that would be huge.

[BlackR0bbb]

Cancio is kinda got a name now so yea I could see him. And yea I suspect he gots to fight SOMEONE of note to get a belt right now cuz I think lotsa name guys got belts or last I checked that was the case. Maybe there is a random "regular" champ out there thats a soft touch. If thats out there I wouldn't be surprised at all if thats where Bob aims him.

The Herring vs Frampton winner would be a good fight & go a long way towards legitimizing Shakur to some hardcores who are critical of him like myself. That'd be his best opponent by a mile & winning that would be huge.

The Frampton-Herring winner would be at least an 8:1 underdog to Stevenson. I was hoping Warrington would have stepped up at featherweight. That would have been semi-interesting. Now that he's at 130, I'm hoping for Berchelt or Alvarado (the guy that stopped Cancio). Cancio is too basic for Shakur.

[Eff Pandas]

The Frampton-Herring winner would be at least an 8:1 underdog to Stevenson. I was hoping Warrington would have stepped up at featherweight. That would have been semi-interesting. Now that he's at 130, I'm hoping for Berchelt or Alvarado (the guy that stopped Cancio). Cancio is too basic for Shakur.

Part of the game is getting the W's over the names & proven guys. And Shakur hasn't even fought a washed name yet let alone a current name. So yea he needs Cancio or anyone we've mentioned in these last few posts. Dogboe could be his best opponent if he hadn't moved up. Shakur looks the part, but his resume says clever matchmaking. That needs to change.

And if the Frampton vs Herring winner is +500ish or worse vs Shakur I'm definitely sprinkling something on the Frampton vs Herring winner there. Til Shakur proves something vs a high level guy I'd fade him vs any top 3, top 5 type guy at 130 specifically if he's a wide favorite.

[BlackR0bbb]

Part of the game is getting the W's over the names & proven guys. And Shakur hasn't even fought a washed name yet let alone a current name. So yea he needs Cancio or anyone we've mentioned in these last few posts. Dogboe could be his best opponent if he hadn't moved up. Shakur looks the part, but his resume says clever matchmaking. That needs to change.

And if the Frampton vs Herring winner is +500ish or worse vs Shakur I'm definitely sprinkling something on the Frampton vs Herring winner there. Til Shakur proves something vs a high level guy I'd fade him vs any top 3, top 5 type guy at 130 specifically if he's a wide favorite.

Then you will certainly lose your money. The Frampton-Herring winner has no chance vs. Stevenson, personalities aside. Berchelt is the only really interesting fight at 130 because of his pressure and two-fisted power, but even he will eventually begin to get picked apart at some point. Stevenson can fight a few washed "names" for exposure, but those fights will do nothing to silence the doubters out there. Frampton is a natural jr. featherweight who has been carefully matched. I expect Herring to handle him, but get robbed on the cards, especially in the UK. Dogboe would be too damn small for Stevenson, even had Shakur remained at feather.

[Eff Pandas]

Then you will certainly lose your money. The Frampton-Herring winner has no chance vs. Stevenson, personalities aside. Berchelt is the only really interesting fight at 130 because of his pressure and two-fisted power, but even he will eventually begin to get picked apart at some point. Stevenson can fight a few washed "names" for exposure, but those fights will do nothing to silence the doubters out there. Frampton is a natural jr. featherweight who has been carefully matched. I expect Herring to handle him, but get robbed on the cards, especially in the UK. Dogboe would be too damn small for Stevenson, even had Shakur remained at feather.

No one is unbeatable. I'll take math over myth every day of the week & be up overall. Its utterly insane to suggest those far more experienced & proven guys have just a 15%-20% chance to beat Shakur.

I also just don't see Shakur being the next Mayweather or anything like that. At least yet. And I'm surprised I hear so many crowning him as the next great fighter of this era when his best win 3.5yrs & one belt into his career is Joet Gonzalez.

Floyd was a 1.5yrs removed from beating Genaro, #1 at 130 at the time, & Angel Manfredy, an indie top ten guy at this stage of his career. Shakur is still in theory a high level guy more than he's proven he's a high level guy. I mean you gotta beat a high level guy at some point to be a high level guy. And he's not beaten a indie top ten guy yet & you're telling me he's unbeatable or something?

Sh^t I got Tank smoking this guy if they fought next. And I got no doubt other top guys at a bare minimum give him competitive risky fights if not upset the apple cart.

[BlackR0bbb]

No one is unbeatable. I'll take math over myth every day of the week & be up overall. Its utterly insane to suggest those far more experienced & proven guys have just a 15%-20% chance to beat Shakur.

I also just don't see Shakur being the next Mayweather or anything like that. At least yet. And I'm surprised I hear so many crowning him as the next great fighter of this era when his best win 3.5yrs & one belt into his career is Joet Gonzalez.

Floyd was a 1.5yrs removed from beating Genaro, #1 at 130 at the time, & Angel Manfredy, an indie top ten guy at this stage of his career. Shakur is still in theory a high level guy more than he's proven he's a high level guy. I mean you gotta beat a high level guy at some point to be a high level guy. And he's not beaten a indie top ten guy yet & you're telling me he's unbeatable or something?

Sh^t I got Tank smoking this guy if they fought next. And I got no doubt other top guys at a bare minimum give him competitive risky fights if not upset the apple cart.

I'm not crowning him anything. I'm saying that based on his skills, he's not losing to B level or washed guys. It's just not happening. Tank very well may get him when he reaches lightweight, but that's no given. Yes, Stevenson can fight the Cancios of the world, but all that does is put a recognizable name on his resume, nothing more. You're mentioning guys who wouldn't even have a 15% chance of beating Shakur, but if you insist on throwing away money, throw some my way. Do you want my CashApp?

[Eff Pandas]

I'm not crowning him anything. I'm saying that based on his skills, he's not losing to B level or washed guys. It's just not happening. Tank very well may get him when he reaches lightweight, but that's no given. Yes, Stevenson can fight the Cancios of the world, but all that does is put a recognizable name on his resume, nothing more. You're mentioning guys who wouldn't even have a 15% chance of beating Shakur, but if you insist on throwing away money, throw some my way. Do you want my CashApp?

Cancio is a step up for Shakur is the thing lol.

You keep acting like he's Canelo or Errol already. He's a long ass way from being anything close to those guys. He's not even close to being on the level of guys who fight Canelo & Errol usually.

His best W is Joet Gonzalez. He needs to be fighting these name guys cuz there the best guys he's ever fought by a mile.

And Frampton & Herring both got better than a 15% chance to beat Shakur. Thats silly to think they don't. I mean hell even like 25%-30% could make sense & still be a wide favorite if you think Shakur is the 2nd coming.

I don't think the line will be as wide as you do so yea if you'll give me better odds than the books I might have to look you up when the day comes that Shakur finally fights someone real. As long as your good with an escrow I'm down. Doubt we'd need to discuss this before 2022 doe.

[BlackR0bbb]

Cancio is a step up for Shakur is the thing lol.

You keep acting like he's Canelo or Errol already. He's a long ass way from being anything close to those guys. He's not even close to being on the level of guys who fight Canelo & Errol usually.

His best W is Joet Gonzalez. He needs to be fighting these name guys cuz there the best guys he's ever fought by a mile.

And Frampton & Herring both got better than a 15% chance to beat Shakur. Thats silly to think they don't. I mean hell even like 25%-30% could make sense & still be a wide favorite if you think Shakur is the 2nd coming.

I don't think the line will be as wide as you do so yea if you'll give me better odds than the books I might have to look you up when the day comes that Shakur finally fights someone real. As long as your good with an escrow I'm down. Doubt we'd need to discuss this before 2022 doe.

You're delusional. The line for Stevenson vs. the Frampton-Herring winner will be at least 8:1. Frampton is an overrated natural jr. featherweight and Herring is an overachieving career journeyman looking for one last bag before he calls it a day. In fact, if the fight is ever made, I will give you 10:1 odds on a bet of at least $100. I'm not a Stevenson fan, but he's very skilled. You'd be surprised how many fans thought Gonzalez would give him a decent fight.