Comments Thread For: Garcia: Spence, Porter, Thurman Kinda All On Same Level; Spence Strongest Of Three

[SkillspayBills]

Spence will relax and come back with a tuneup probably in May. He then will fight Pac next Dec at Texas Stadium in the biggest PPV fight we've seen in years.
Meanwhile, Crawford will fight Porter next and then after he's out of Arums wrath he will fight Spence in 2022. That's the way it looks to me. Anyone see anything wrong with this?

If Spence didn't take a tune-up after 14 months and a car crash why would he do it next? He goes straight to Pac and then finishes the year off with Crawford.

[ArturoBalboa]

Makes sense!

Crawford/Spence A+

Pac A

While Porter, Thurman are A-

And Danny B+

I agree in terms of profile. I think porter beats pac though, all wrong for him style wise.

[Ake-Dawg]

Wrong, it is absolutely fear on Spence's end... why else would he not pursue another championship title, his biggest payday and give fans the fight they all want?? Trust this, if another WW had TC's belt, Spence would be gunning for it.... Spence knows TC is levels above him, FEARS he'll get busted up, in a damaging way!

What makes a fight against TC bigger than a fight against PAC? Nothing! Spence Crawford is a hardcore fan dream not a casual fan attraction. It’s also the whack WBO belt that no one cares about.

Find a new sport to follow if all you have is fear to discuss. It’s a weak argument and disrespectful to the guys who enter the ring. Unless you’re lacing them up at their level, you have no merit to call any pro fighter scared.

[fantasy5021]

Huh? This was his most dominating fight against elite opposition he’s had yet. He fully beat this man down.

I know he dominated. I said it was impressive fight after the car accident. Different styles of fighting. I don’t think he would of beat Shawn Porter if he fought him that night. Danny was able to connect when he actually let his hands go. A guy like Porter wouldn’t stop coming forward. I think Garcia’s game-plan was all wrong. You take the fight to Spence.

[Ake-Dawg]

Because in this era of boxing, that’s exactly what the reason is in the vast majority of occasions. And it’s enablers and apologists with attitudes like yours that have allowed boxing to reach this sorry state.

It’s only once fans, journalists and promoters alike start demanding fights and calling out fighters that boxing will reverse its decline into being a marginal sport.

Sorry state? We have had some great match ups over the years. The days of promoters and the media forcing guys to fight for next to nothing while they risk their lives is over. At this current state, fans get what they pay for. Fans like you would get your fight fix for free and then leave these guys and their families for dead. Fighters are in control just as it should be.

[SweetPbfAli]

If Spence didn't take a tune-up after 14 months and a car crash why would he do it next? He goes straight to Pac and then finishes the year off with Crawford.

Yep! I think that accident installed a sense of urgency in him..I don't think he's going to take any soft fights here on out. He's probably going to go hard and tough and retire sooner than later.

[Blackstarr]

Sorry state? We have had some great match ups over the years. The days of promoters and the media forcing guys to fight for next to nothing while they risk their lives is over. At this current state, fans get what they pay for. Fans like you would get your fight fix for free and then leave these guys and their families for dead. Fighters are in control just as it should be.

What the hell are you talking about, fighting for next to nothing? Would Wilder have fought for next to nothing if he accepted that AJ offer? Would Spence or Crawford be fighting for next to nothing if they fought each other? Did Spence wait years for a fight because there was no money? I can point to so many compelling missed fights where money was on the table.

Fighters are damaged more so now whereby old or completely mismatched fighters are put in the ring with so-called elites, and then leave the ring on a stretcher, rather than these top fighters being matched up against themselves.

You can’t use the point to a “few great match ups over the years” as an excuse to ignore why boxing is no longer a mainstream sport and ufc is killing it in PPV numbers.

Fighters should be in control, but if all of them had the attitudes of say Teofimo, Donaire, Prograis, Taylor, Loma and even Pac, then the sport would be in a better place with far more compelling match ups.

[Ake-Dawg]

What the hell are you talking about, fighting for next to nothing? Would Wilder have fought for next to nothing if he accepted that AJ offer? Would Spence or Crawford be fighting for next to nothing if they fought each other? Did Spence wait years for a fight because there was no money? I can point to so many compelling missed fights where money was on the table.

Fighters are damaged more so now whereby old or completely mismatched fighters are put in the ring with so-called elites, and then leave the ring on a stretcher, rather than these top fighters being matched up against themselves.

You can’t use the point to a “few great match ups over the years” as an excuse to ignore why boxing is no longer a mainstream sport and ufc is killing it in PPV numbers.

Fighters should be in control, but if all of them had the attitudes of say Teofimo, Donaire, Prograis, Taylor, Loma and even Pac, then the sport would be in a better place with far more compelling match ups.

UFC isn’t “killing it” in ppv numbers. UFC had a few transcendent stars that carried their big shows. Tell me which event they held at 75 a pop that didn’t have Jones McGregor Lesnar or Rousey did big numbers.

The sport is fine. There are plenty young upcoming and crowd pleasing fighters on the way in as a few aging stars are on the way out. What is not fine are fans who want to consume boxing at a rate that the financials won’t allow for. Why? Because contrary to popular belief, nowadays hardcore fans don’t support (illegal free streams or some made up personal dislike mixed in with the new nationality promotional idiocy) and casuals dump their money into things that feed their short attention spans. The fight against the PBC model is also largely to blame.

[Blackstarr]

UFC isn’t “killing it” in ppv numbers. UFC had a few transcendent stars that carried their big shows. Tell me which event they held at 75 a pop that didn’t have Jones McGregor Lesnar or Rousey did big numbers.

The sport is fine. There are plenty young upcoming and crowd pleasing fighters on the way in as a few aging stars are on the way out. What is not fine are fans who want to consume boxing at a rate that the financials won’t allow for. Why? Because contrary to popular belief, nowadays hardcore fans don’t support (illegal free streams or some made up personal dislike mixed in with the new nationality promotional idiocy) and casuals dump their money into things that feed their short attention spans. The fight against the PBC model is also largely to blame.

I meant to say killing boxing with their numbers, in that they are performing far better. Just look at their 5 biggest PPV events this year and compare it to boxing. And to answer your question, Usman-Masvidal did 1.3m buys this year without those names.

Not sure what you mean by casuals dumping their money into things that feed their short attention span. You mean like compelling match ups where the best fight the best?

And that’s absolute BS about fans having unrealistic consumption expectations. Boxing has always been lucrative the top. The boxing stars of yesteryear were amongst the highest paid in sports, and now today’s top boxers are getting even more than them on average. Yet we’re getting less compelling fights and more ducking than before, so tell me what the real issue is?

Don’t spout nonsense about fight economics. If the money isn’t there, it’s typically because boxers are irrationally over-stating their worth. Teofimo or Loma could have said “no I need $10m for that fight”, and groupies out there would use your same reasoning to justify that fight not happening. Thank goodness we still have some boxers out there without attitudes like yours, and I genuinely mean that with respect.

[Ake-Dawg]

I meant to say killing boxing with their numbers, in that they are performing far better. Just look at their 5 biggest PPV events this year and compare it to boxing. And to answer your question, Usman-Masvidal did 1.3m buys this year without those names.

Not sure what you mean by casuals dumping their money into things that feed their short attention span. You mean like compelling match ups where the best fight the best?

And that’s absolute BS about fans having unrealistic consumption expectations. Boxing has always been lucrative the top. The boxing stars of yesteryear were amongst the highest paid in sports, and now today’s top boxers are getting even more than them on average. Yet I we’re getting less compelling fights and more ducking than before, so tell me what the real issue is?

Don’t spout nonsense about fight economics. If the money isn’t there, it’s typically because boxers are irrationally over-stating their worth. Teofimo or Loma could have said “no I need $10m for that fight”, and groupies out there would use your same reasoning to justify that fight not happening. Thank goodness we still have some boxers out there without attitudes like yours, and I genuinely mean that with respect.

As a fan with ZERO clue about the amount of revenue generated from these fights how are you in position to determine what a fighters worth is to pass judgement that they are asking for more than they are worth? Because some promoter who doesn’t take punches said so?

Funny you mentioned Lopez because he certainly made sure he maximized his paycheck for the Loma fight. He beat Loma and promptly let everyone know that he wasn’t chasing belts next but looking for a big fight. It’s prize fighting not bragging rights fighting. But if it were up to you, the networks and promoters would continue to make grossly more than the fighters while the fighters seek to impress a fan base that will move on to the next big thing the second they lose.