Comments Thread For: Arum: Wilder Has No Rights To Third Fury Fight, Claim Will Be Denied

[Split Decision]

Yeah but most in the Heavyweight Aint Fury...Dillian Whyte is no Fury not as big or Skilled. I don't even Like Wilder Skill Set or lack thereof but he decapitates Whyte who is a straight line fighter with no footwork or Lateral movement like Fury nor does he has the Chin of Fury obviously

So yeah FURY beating Wilder does not mean the Other Heavyweights do so which is why they all need to fight!

says he doesn't like wilders skill set yet thinks he beats every hw not named Fury (only cos he already clearly lost twice to fury)

what is it with u yank Wilder fans claiming u ain't fans yet back him in every fight

[REDEEMER]

says he doesn't like wilders skill set yet thinks he beats every hw not named Fury (only cos he already clearly lost twice to fury)

what is it with u yank Wilder fans claiming u ain't fans yet back him in every fight

Most posters give the winner credit to beat everyone but then the loser is a bum except Wilder ?

Take DDD for instance ,because Joyce beat him so can everyone else just like AJ lost look at how many fighters took Ruiz credit, it’s really nonsense.

If DDD fought Wilder it’s not a forgone conclusion he loses because Wilder doesn’t have Joyce’s chin . If anything there’s more questions about Wilder vs prime punchers .

[Blackstarr]

says he doesn't like wilders skill set yet thinks he beats every hw not named Fury (only cos he already clearly lost twice to fury)

what is it with u yank Wilder fans claiming u ain't fans yet back him in every fight

These fools don’t make any damn sense - I wouldn’t pay them any mind.

Are they saying it’s inconceivable that a man that has been routinely outboxed in stretches by the likes of Szpilka, Washington and Duhaupas (who left him looking almost as battered as he was in Fury 2) will have any trouble against Whyte, who perhaps arguably has the best body punching and left hook in the HW division? Those opponents I mentioned have been starched by Charles Martin (Washington) and Chisora (Szipilka) after losing every round, while outclassed by Pianeta (Duhaupas) FFS.

You don’t need to be skilled to put pressure on Wilder or outbox him, and Whyte has the power to get him out of there. Which is probably why Wilder never fought him, despite a fight with Whyte offering Wilder his highest career payday at the time, great UK exposure and the perfect chance to back AJ into a corner. Only simpletons and wilfully ignorant fanboys choose to overlook this.

[Curt Henning]

lol if you guys had a brain you'll understand both espn and fox agreed to push the fight back due to the pandemic but hey its easier to blame wilder

but like i said its bigger than what fury and bob said do yall really think espn and fox wants to not host a 100 million dollar fight

yup....but there are delusional wilder haters that will never admit they understand

this isnt teo/loma or bud/brook...the check for fury will prob be 30 mil alone....they need a gate...

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says he doesn't like wilders skill set yet thinks he beats every hw not named Fury (only cos he already clearly lost twice to fury)

what is it with u yank Wilder fans claiming u ain't fans yet back him in every fight

No your Reading Comprehension is just F^cking Terrible!

Never said he beats the rest of the Heavyweights, I'm sayin that just because Fury defeated him that doesn't mean a Automatic Win for the rest of the Division because they're not as Big or as Skilled as Fury and that is just not how boxing works. Triangle Theories are what Boxing Fans use and excuses for a fighter they like NOT to fight a fighter they may perceive as a threat to a fighter they like

I don't PROTECT Fighters, again...again and once again THEY ALL NEED TO FIGHT!

You're caught up into some CHILDISH US vs UK Garbage, I don't get into nor do I give a sh^t about that because I'm a BOXING FAN!

[Get em up]

Against who let's be fair here they kept him away from anyone dangerous and don't tell me Ortiz who literally said himself he watched rumble in the jungle live with his father is a threat.

Ok to be fair I agree his resume is seriously lacking but also to be fair what other heavyweight moves head and feet like Fury

[Get em up]

40+ fights against 39 below average opponents. When a guy struggles against the likes of Eric Molina, Gerald Washington or Artur Szpilka, it's pretty obvious the guy is shyt.

Your not seeing my whole point. What other heavyweight moves head and feet like Fury? Simple enough question I'm not saying Wilder has the deepest resume at all but a MONSTER right hand he does have along with other good attributes like speed and agility plus the wingspan of a school bus.

[Marchegiano]

And all the Americans who don't ******ly try to make Tyson the fighter he wasn't? Well they'll all claim Ali as the best? Again BULL****!

Just take Robert James “Bob” Fitzsimmons (26 May 1863 – 22 October 1917) who was a British professional boxer who was the sport's first three-division world champion.

He also achieved fame for beating Gentleman Jim Corbett (the man who beat the man, John L. Sullivan), and he's in the Guinness Book of Records as the lightest heavyweight champion of all time, Incredibly he won the Heavyweight championship of the world at only 11 stone 7 lbs.

That feat and still standing world record alone, must see him right up as one of the best 5 of all time, as nobody has ever got close to doing what he did at such a light weight in the Heavyweight division, in over 100 years!

But you'll not see anyone know this, or if they do, they ignore it, because he's not American?. That's also why so much boxing history is actually rubbish. The USA's cheating and lying, trying to create a fake history of boxing with outright lies. And many lies they'd have got away with, if others hadn't spoken up. Ring Magazine itself was found guilty of doing exactly that.

If you want to understand the length of deceit the USA will go to, to lie about historical events, this will show you what I mean...

Although Bob Fitzsimmons became a world champion in each of the Middleweight, Light-Heavyweight and Heavyweight divisions. American boxing historians do not consider him to be the first world Light-Heavyweight and Heavyweight champion. Why?

LOL @ This, “because he won the Heavyweight title before winning the Light Heavyweight title!” Haha, how pathetically sad is that? Could anybody be any more bias and pathetic? How embarrassing the American people really are man, they're famous as the global bull****ters of all time. It's never ending bull****, and it really is the same in everything you can think of, even their disgusting outright lies about WW2. It's all just lie after lie.

Well, Michael Spinks counts as the first to win the Light-Heavyweight belt and the Heavyweight belt LOL Well there's a surprise?. Because Spinks did it in (the correct order) LMFAO, that must mean Bob Fitzsimmons just doesn't count then? Hilarious, yet so incredibly and embarrassingly pathetic.

In 2003, Roy Jones Jr. joined Bob Fitzsimmons, Michael Moorer and Michael Spinks as the only men to have won world championships at both Light-Heavyweight and Heavyweight. But Michael Spinks counts as the man who did it first, even though he didn't because? Oh, just because the USA said so! LOL

Being honest and actually only going on what we do know and did see my top 10 Heavyweights of all time are...

1) Joe Louis.
2) Jack Dempsey.
3) Rocky Marciano.
4) Robert James “Bob” Fitzsimmons (explained above)
5) Muhammad Ali.
6) Larry Holmes
7) James J. Jeffries
8) Lennox Lewis
9) George Foreman
10) Jack Johnson.

Not Ali! Henry Cooper fought Cassius Clay in 1963 at Wembley Stadium. The fight was a scrappy affair, and a key moment came at the end of the fourth round. Cooper landed a left hook that sent Clay sprawling through the ropes.

Angelo Dundee helped Clay to his stool and revived him with smelling salts, something that was a violation of rules at that time. Dundee also forced a delay to repair a tear in Clay's glove, a tear some suspect Dundee created to stall for time.

A rejuvenated Clay came out for the fifth round and opened up a cut on Cooper's eye. Clay relentlessly attacked Coppers cut eye to force a stoppage on cuts, Cooper was ahead on the scorecards.

Clay, now known as Muhammad Ali, faced Cooper again in 1966 while defending his World Heavyweight Title. Clay adopted a more cautious approach only Cooper again suffered a stoppage defeat on cuts, despite AGAIN being ahead on the scorecards.

It was only cuts that prevented Cooper from beating Ali twice. But you'll never hear about this, or if you do, it will be a bull**** version some American dreamt up in his own head, LOL.

Cooper won the respect of Ali, who called him to reminisce on the 40th anniversary of the first fight. Ali once remarked on the first fight by saying Cooper had hit him “so hard my ancestors in Africa felt it.”

Ali was not the greatest at all. The facts are all there to see, read, and learn, so there is no excuse that we see anyone lie about it.

Ali won 56 out of his 61 fights, and 37 of them were knock-outs. While these are great stats, other boxers had better: Harry Greb won 262 fights!, Sugar Ray Robinson won 173, and Harry Armstrong won 150. Rocky Marciano didn’t lose a fight.

The scope of the fights makes a huge difference, since every fight is injurious (risky). A closer look at the boxing stats of Harry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson proves that they fought much better and stronger fighters than Ali did, certainly relative to their weight at the time. His own stats prove he wasn’t the greatest boxer to enter the ring. It is once again just American lies, And I've no idea why, as the real greatest of them all, Joe Louis, was also American.

Mostly your post is very good and I appreciate it quite a bit. I a few comments and a gripe.

Fitzs is probably p4p the greatest HW of all time and perhaps the greatest fighter. Very under appreciated today. He won the HW crown twice. Corbett retired and caused a deviation in the lineage we recognize today. In the alternative lineage that recognizes Corbett's time away from the ring the title transfers to Peter Maher, a KO style HW and a big lad of the era. Peter whooped Corbett's guy Steven O'Donnell. Corbett then gave the belt to Peter and ****ed off out of the sport to be an actor for several months. Peter then got KTFO by Fitzs using his solar plexus punch just like he would later against Corbett. Fitzs loses his title to Sharkey by DQ, punched Tom in the nuts so hard a Dr worried for Tom's recovery. Corbett comes back to boxing and reclaims the title then Fitzs KO's him with that plexus punch. In my mind that makes Fitzs a x2 HW champion.

RJJ's didn't join Fitzs, he passed 'em. Fitzsimmons fought at HW weighing the same as he had at MW because there was no walker law or minimum weight. By Jones era the min is 190, Jones came in 193 and won. Fitzs never learned how to fight as a big man, Roy did. Fitzs is still a x2 though and Roy isn't. Fitzs is greater as a HW champion but as a MW to HW to LHW Roy really did one up the great one.

Depmsey at 2, bud, that's insane. Dempsey's best wins are other American HW who never fought black men. He has one win over one true HW contender and that was suspect. He hardly fought anyone from outside of the American ranks. He did not fight colored champions before, during, or after his title run except for one, non-champion in the colored ranks who beat him according to two papers and a third calls it a draw.He ducked Norfolk and Leo Flynn called him for it. He admitted to ducking Langford, he ducked Wills and Jeanette, and, only one of his wins has a win over any of those men.

Dempsey's hardly a world champion, he fought white americans. He hardly has a great resume, most of his resume got tossed around like toss pots by the colored champions of his era. Of colorline champions few left so much evidence they were not the greatest of their era. Corbett, Fitzs, Jeffries, Hart, Burns, and Johnson fought colored champions before, during, or after their title reigns and won. Proving they were always better, just unwilling to give a black man a lineal title fight....well except the obvious who did give a black man a title fight.

Dempsey's best win is Sharkey which was gifted to him. Dude's a sad ass ATG.


Conversely, Jeffries beat up all pretenders to the throne before taking out Fitzs for the most prestigious title. Colored champion, pretense champion, former champions, global top contender, global pretense titlists or claimants. There was no question during Jeffries reign as to who was top dog. Jack Dempsey did not earn being ranked above Jim Jeffries under any metric but hype and making money.

Hell, every single man on your list earned out ranking Dempsey, Jeffries is just the one I take most issue with. Not one of them has so many excuses to make as Dempsey because none of them ducked as much as Dempsey.

[Split Decision]

No your Reading Comprehension is just F^cking Terrible!

Never said he beats the rest of the Heavyweights, I'm sayin that just because Fury defeated him that doesn't mean a Automatic Win for the rest of the Division because they're not as Big or as Skilled as Fury and that is just not how boxing works. Triangle Theories are what Boxing Fans use and excuses for a fighter they like NOT to fight a fighter they may perceive as a threat to a fighter they like

I don't PROTECT Fighters, again...again and once again THEY ALL NEED TO FIGHT!

You're caught up into some CHILDISH US vs UK Garbage, I don't get into nor do I give a sh^t about that because I'm a BOXING FAN!

U didn't outright say it but u implied it when u said whyte can't beat Fury cos he doesn't have furys skillset

U think it's only Furys skillset that can beat Wilder

What a joke u even said Wilder lacks skill so it isn't out of this world saying whyte beats Wilder

keep backing and picking the fighter u don't even like maybe some will believe it lmao

[DaNeutral.]

yup....but there are delusional wilder haters that will never admit they understand

this isnt teo/loma or bud/brook...the check for fury will prob be 30 mil alone....they need a gate...

So the contract is not between the fighters? It has nothing to do with them and they have no say in how long TV networks can force them to sit on the bench?