Comments Thread For: Arum: Wilder Has No Rights To Third Fury Fight, Claim Will Be Denied

[Blackstarr]

He's obviously got power, but it's somewhat overrated. People go on like he renders people unconscious with every punch he lands...but he just doesn't. He needs to land it in the right spot, which, if you're loading up on every single right hand you throw, you're eventually gonna get there. Wilder has landed more clean punches that haven't done any damage than ones that have. How many times did he land flush on Ortiz before he found the right punch? Molina? Szpilka? He didn't even find it against Chris Nipple. There's also the first Stiverne fight and Duhaupas, but he allegedly broke his hand (even though he was ****ing with it all night long).

A lot of people say it since Fury manhandled him, but I've said it since Molina put some pressure on him, landed on his chin and made him stagger around like a Zombie; Wilder gets beat by any decent punching, 6'4-and-above heavyweight that doesn't fear the right hand, walks him down and puts it on him. And that's how Whyte mostly likes to fight. I think Ruiz would plant one on his chin. Steroidburger Miller would have blown him out. Joyce would pummel him. And a lot of people will definitely disagree, but I even think Usyk would frustrate him, slow him down and catch him with a solid cheeky right hand to topple him.

I respect his uncanny ability to generate power and manage to land the right punch, but other than that, he's a shít boxer that would have been smashed to bits a long time ago if he'd have fought genuine opposition.

Agree 100% with this. People make out as if the moment Wilder touches a fighter, they’re gone but this hasn’t typically been the case.

Plus we’ve seen pretty much all the top HWs destroy fighters and turn the lights out with one punch, but I personally believe we’ve only seen Wilder doing it more frequently because he has fought the most dreadful competition out of the bunch.

This isn’t to detract from the power he has, which is clearly special. But if the likes of Martin and Chisora are also blasting out Wilder’s competition only 5 fighters ago, then I’m fairly confident that any other top 6-7 fighter would have an equally glossy record as Wilder did before he ran into Fury. I’m sure even Whyte himself would have looked like an unstoppable killer.

[Boro]

Think it’s pretty clear at this point, that wilder obviously knew his rights have expired. But. To save face he will start litigation and really pursue a different opponent. Because I don’t get why he would take fury to court, and two days later announce that he’s not waiting on fury, as he’s a “coward running from his commitment” and he’d like to fight Whyte next or Ruiz! So really Deontay just wants to generate some sort of Intrest in his next fight, which, without a doubt will be against some unskilled No-Hoper. Wilder knows the world has moved on and everyone wants Aj-Fury. So he sees this as his chance for some cheap publicity, done it his WHOLE career.

Yeah Usyk, Parker, Helenius, Whyte, Ruiz wonder which one of the five he "called out" it'll be

[TexasCowBoy]

Meanwhile, in other news just in, over in the USA - Deontay Wilder has been in the courts this morning. He's sued his own mother, blaming her “sour-tainted breast milk” she (force-fed him), as the reason he got schooled, bullied, beaten up and robbed. His lawsuit claims her breast milk is why his legs are so skinny and that's why he got so easily beaten up.

The judge threw the case out when it was revealed his mum was actually his dad, who only fed him powdered milk. (by teaspoon).

UPDATE: Just in - Deontay Wilder has made a fresh claim Tyson Fury (grew, then sharpened) his fingernails before their fight, and it was those fingernails that Fury used to gouge in his ear making it bleed, he says this is conclusive undeniable evidence that Fury's hands were on the outside of his gloves, going as far to suggest the glove manufacture built in something like a “little trap door”.

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[TexasCowBoy]

Let's talk some truth rather than this juvenile ridiculously uneducated rubbish we read from the casuals of the boxing world, those who couldn't tell you the first thing about the sport, or even how to go about working out a boxers level, that's either been achieved or they could potentially achieve. It's insulting. So lets look what we've REALLY seen?

Tyson Fury, in only his 25th pro fight, beat and school Klitschko, (the longest reigning world champion in Heavyweight history, that nobody had ever schooled). We then saw Tyson lose the plot (as many have before him), he went to a dark place, a place nobody wants to go, he really struggled to deal with what he'd really done, what he'd really achieved?

He'd been told so many times he'd never manage it, that when he did, (and how did he do it? Let's not forget he went into Klitscho's backyard in Germany where you either stop them, or you lose no matter what)? Yet he took that title with a boxing lesson, a boxing class, a schooling. And all those mouths that doubted him?, well they basically tried to ignore what he'd achieved, rather than hold their hands up, admit they were wrong, and start to treat the man the way he deserves to be treated.

That alone would be hard enough to deal with. Let alone doing so in his own mental state of mind. He binged out, turned to the booze, the drugs, the party lifestyle, he was finished, he'd ballooned in weight and nobody believed he'd ever get back in the ring again.

But because of who he is, and how strong-willed he is, we saw him come back from that dark place. We saw him sort himself out. We saw him shed 9 stone in 9 months. We watched him tell the world he wanted his belts back. And we watched him go out and do exactly that (in his first attempt). Only to be robbed by American Judges calling it a draw.

We then watched him keep it all together, keep himself healthy, and go back and do it all over again, only this time, we saw Tyson do what he told us all he would do, and we watched him take it from the judges hands, we all watched him school then KO the so-called hardest hitting Heavyweight in boxing history?

And we read opinions from people who clearly do not even understand that what they'd just seen was actually one of the greatest sporting achievements and comebacks by anyone in any sport? It's not Fury who has any problems, It's only the casuals like you who have a problem. And we read you not even caring just how incredibly ****** you actually read?

Tyson Fury could retire tomorrow? And nobody can take away all he has achieved? What he REALLY has achieved? Is actually unsurpassed in the sporting world?. Nobody has been through all he has, and managed to come back to win the hardest thing in sport to win!

No doubt you'll also be someone that hilariously thinks Mike Tyson was a great boxer? LOL. As they say, you can't fix ******, because ****** hilariously believes he's smart... LOL

I was in shock when Fury beat Wlad....I followed the Klitschkos career and was very pleased the way they operated inside and outside the ring.....What hurt Fury was the Devils Dandruff ......but He bounced , cant take that away from Fury...or cant take away the Royal schooling he has administered inside The Ring....it aint Furys fault he broke deontayduckus wilderquackus.

[kej718]

This is why we won't ever see PBC and Top Rank work together. Wilder gave Fury his word that he would fight him the first time after his suspension and he did it. He promised to give him a rematch and he did it even though Fury signed with Top Rank and he had to wait for it to happen. Mind you he could have fought many other big fights instead.

PBC should just let these Top Rank fighters contracts run out and then make the big fights.

[Mickey Pearson]

Wilder is like that bully who got beat up and just to save face he keeps calling fury a coward as hes walking away

[champion4ever]

Bob may be right but ultimately it is up the courts to decide whether or not Team Wilder has a case. I will say that there were a lot of extenuating and mitigating circumstances on why the fight never happened; Which was largely due in part of Bob Arum's refusal in exercising the rematch clause without a live gate because of the current pandemic we are in. Deontay Wilder's team had nothing to do with that.

[TexasCowBoy]

I can't believe we could actually see anyone with any sort of boxing knowledge say what you have? Let's talk reality, boxing, you know, real boxing, not childlike opinions fitting of 5-year-olds? Or is that just too difficult for you? You don't really understand? We read the casual AJ fans really thinking he can beat Fury?. They say Fury's not fought anyone, only bums?

Otto Wallin? Came with an unbeaten record of 21–0–13 KO's? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.
Tom_Schwarz? Came with an unbeaten record of 24-0-17 KO's? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.
Deontay Wilder? Came with an unbeaten record of 40-0-40 KO's? (x2) A bum? Was ranked number one!
Francesco Pianeta? Came with a record of 35-4-1 with 21 Ko's? A bum?
Sefer Seferi? Came with a record of 23-1- 21 Ko's? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.
Wladimir Klitschko? Came with a record of longest reigning heavyweight champion in history. 64-3-53 Ko's A bum? Was ranked number one!
Dereck Chisora? A bum? Was ranked inside the top 10.

All the fighters Fury has beat, have all gone on to win their next fights? With only Wladimir Klitschko losing again?

AJ fought for 6 years as an Amateur. In 2009 and 2010 won the Haringey Box Cup. He won the senior ABA Championships in 2010 and in 2011 he won the GB Championships earning himself a place on the GB Boxing team.

At the 2011 European Championships, he was stopped by Romanian southpaw Mihai Nistorafter after receiving several standing counts.

In October 2011 he was named Amateur Boxer of the Year by the Boxing Writers Club of Great Britain. Joshua had an amateur record of 40–3.

In the 2011 World Championships, he lost to local boxer, Magomedrasul Majidov winning a silver medal, yet securing his place at the 2012 Olympic Games in the super-heavyweight division.

At the 2012 London Olympics, in his opening contest he battled Erislandy Savón through three tough rounds before being given the result 17-16. This decision caused huge controversy, with most observers believing Savon had clearly won the bout.

He then beat Zhang Zhilei by 15-11 guaranteeing at least a bronze medal. In the semi-final, Joshua fought Ivan Dychko only winning late on in the fight, just by13-11.

In the Olympic final, he beat Roberto Cammarelle, after losing the first two rounds 6-5 and 13-10 respectively, at the end of the third round, the score was now magically & hilariously reading: level 18-18? And of course, that meant Joshua was announced winner and Olympic champion, by way of count-back? LOL. At the London Games? How embarrassing that really was!

On 11 July 2013 it was confirmed that Joshua had turned professional under the Match room sport promotional banner. So A J had masses of experience already when turning pro.

AJ Vs Tyson Fury?

AJ isn't in the same realm as Tyson Fury? A J is a former gold medallist, who got found out at the top level, (as so many have before him). A J got found out many times though, sure he just about managed to get through some of those fights, yet people tend to forget how fragile and uncomfortable he is and looks when in the ring? He's like an upright clueless novice, with his chin out to lunch at times.

Andy Ruiz pointed that out, before he then completely exposed it, and he could have and should have done the same again, as he had worked out AJ. But the fame, the chocolate cake, the lifestyle, saw him throw it away, and he didn't prepare himself at all for the rematch, he went into that fight without a plan A & plan B was still in the fridge. He got spanked for it, he looked a former shadow of himself in all truth. If Ruiz could sort his own mindset out, and if he had any desire to do so, he'd beat AJ again.

How can AJ beat Fury? I can't see any way he can? He's out-reached, he's out-boxed, and he's out-thought, his movement is non-existent. His head remains static, he's no up and down movement, no side to side movement, and with gloves up? Such a weak guard, is easy to be hit between or around his guard, and hit hard, again as Ruiz exposed, sending him off on his jelly legs with his cheesy pearly white tooth grin as his head hits the canvas LOL.

Fury on the other hand? Has fantastic movement, more like we'd see from a cruiserweight, is 6' 9'' he can **** and KO anyone, and he can box smart, at a much higher, better, and skilful level than we've ever seen from A J. Klitscho was schooled by Fury. Nobody had ever schooled him before. Fury schooled and KO'd Wilder. Beating him (twice) no matter what the American judges pretended to see.

AJ is beaten up by Fury if he tries to fight on the front foot!
AJ is out-boxed, out-reached, out-thought, and beaten up from range.
On the inside?, Fury is always calm & composed, picking his shots, and landing them.
AJ freezes on the inside, and gets caught trying to get out in his linear style.
Fury's chin has been tested?, as has his temperament.
AJ's chin of a schoolgirl, has been fully exposed, as has his cry baby temperament!

Fury is levels above AJ.

And Eddie Hearn knows this. He's hating knowing he's only got one or two big money fights left with AJ.
Less of your uneducated garbage please.

Thanks for the refresher course.....all the wilderettes and hamonites need to understand that Fury is not messing with The Sweet Science....Fury shall be The Undisputed Champ in 2021.

[slimPickings]

Like Parker, AJ, Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte need I continue basically anyone with decent pop and a modicum of skill and don't dare try and use the excuse of PEDs with Povetkin because he fought Ortiz after he popped multiple times

Why am i not surprised or impressed by this "dangerous" list.

Parker....with his movement may last 10 tops before being rendered senseless.

AJ...Probably the most fragile HW champ i have ever seen. He and Hearn will do well to grab that $$$$ from a Fury fight before it all comes crashing down from a Wilder fight.

Wlad.... pointless. Wilder beats him on points or via stoppage ( the most likely scenario) he still gets critized for fighting an OLD MAN.

Povetkin.... same scenario as fighting Wlad. Wilder will not get any credit for separating him from his senses.

Whyte.... I like Whyte. He has done well from himself but there are levels to this. Likely scenario is he gets taken out of the ring on a stretcher.

[TexasCowBoy]

And all the Americans who don't ******ly try to make Tyson the fighter he wasn't? Well they'll all claim Ali as the best? Again BULL****!

Just take Robert James “Bob” Fitzsimmons (26 May 1863 – 22 October 1917) who was a British professional boxer who was the sport's first three-division world champion.

He also achieved fame for beating Gentleman Jim Corbett (the man who beat the man, John L. Sullivan), and he's in the Guinness Book of Records as the lightest heavyweight champion of all time, Incredibly he won the Heavyweight championship of the world at only 11 stone 7 lbs.

That feat and still standing world record alone, must see him right up as one of the best 5 of all time, as nobody has ever got close to doing what he did at such a light weight in the Heavyweight division, in over 100 years!

But you'll not see anyone know this, or if they do, they ignore it, because he's not American?. That's also why so much boxing history is actually rubbish. The USA's cheating and lying, trying to create a fake history of boxing with outright lies. And many lies they'd have got away with, if others hadn't spoken up. Ring Magazine itself was found guilty of doing exactly that.

If you want to understand the length of deceit the USA will go to, to lie about historical events, this will show you what I mean...

Although Bob Fitzsimmons became a world champion in each of the Middleweight, Light-Heavyweight and Heavyweight divisions. American boxing historians do not consider him to be the first world Light-Heavyweight and Heavyweight champion. Why?

LOL @ This, “because he won the Heavyweight title before winning the Light Heavyweight title!” Haha, how pathetically sad is that? Could anybody be any more bias and pathetic? How embarrassing the American people really are man, they're famous as the global bull****ters of all time. It's never ending bull****, and it really is the same in everything you can think of, even their disgusting outright lies about WW2. It's all just lie after lie.

Well, Michael Spinks counts as the first to win the Light-Heavyweight belt and the Heavyweight belt LOL Well there's a surprise?. Because Spinks did it in (the correct order) LMFAO, that must mean Bob Fitzsimmons just doesn't count then? Hilarious, yet so incredibly and embarrassingly pathetic.

In 2003, Roy Jones Jr. joined Bob Fitzsimmons, Michael Moorer and Michael Spinks as the only men to have won world championships at both Light-Heavyweight and Heavyweight. But Michael Spinks counts as the man who did it first, even though he didn't because? Oh, just because the USA said so! LOL

Being honest and actually only going on what we do know and did see my top 10 Heavyweights of all time are...

1) Joe Louis.
2) Jack Dempsey.
3) Rocky Marciano.
4) Robert James “Bob” Fitzsimmons (explained above)
5) Muhammad Ali.
6) Larry Holmes
7) James J. Jeffries
8) Lennox Lewis
9) George Foreman
10) Jack Johnson.

Not Ali! Henry Cooper fought Cassius Clay in 1963 at Wembley Stadium. The fight was a scrappy affair, and a key moment came at the end of the fourth round. Cooper landed a left hook that sent Clay sprawling through the ropes.

Angelo Dundee helped Clay to his stool and revived him with smelling salts, something that was a violation of rules at that time. Dundee also forced a delay to repair a tear in Clay's glove, a tear some suspect Dundee created to stall for time.

A rejuvenated Clay came out for the fifth round and opened up a cut on Cooper's eye. Clay relentlessly attacked Coppers cut eye to force a stoppage on cuts, Cooper was ahead on the scorecards.

Clay, now known as Muhammad Ali, faced Cooper again in 1966 while defending his World Heavyweight Title. Clay adopted a more cautious approach only Cooper again suffered a stoppage defeat on cuts, despite AGAIN being ahead on the scorecards.

It was only cuts that prevented Cooper from beating Ali twice. But you'll never hear about this, or if you do, it will be a bull**** version some American dreamt up in his own head, LOL.

Cooper won the respect of Ali, who called him to reminisce on the 40th anniversary of the first fight. Ali once remarked on the first fight by saying Cooper had hit him “so hard my ancestors in Africa felt it.”

Ali was not the greatest at all. The facts are all there to see, read, and learn, so there is no excuse that we see anyone lie about it.

Ali won 56 out of his 61 fights, and 37 of them were knock-outs. While these are great stats, other boxers had better: Harry Greb won 262 fights!, Sugar Ray Robinson won 173, and Harry Armstrong won 150. Rocky Marciano didn’t lose a fight.

The scope of the fights makes a huge difference, since every fight is injurious (risky). A closer look at the boxing stats of Harry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson proves that they fought much better and stronger fighters than Ali did, certainly relative to their weight at the time. His own stats prove he wasn’t the greatest boxer to enter the ring. It is once again just American lies, And I've no idea why, as the real greatest of them all, Joe Louis, was also American.

I have never considered Mohammed Ali as the best.....I always tell people this and some get mad...I am happy to read The Boxing History you have posted