Dubois' problem goes beyond quitting.

[tritium_arma]

I have no idea how bad his eye was. If he was in any danger of losing his sight then he should uqit or a doctor at ringside or his corner should stop the fight. If he was not in danger of any permanent damage to his eye then he should have taken the pain and kept fighting. Other boxers have fought many rounds with a broken jaw which must hurt just as much or more.

You can recover from a broken jaw. You can't recover from blindness or a Margarito glass eye.

[Ray*]

Thanks, guess I missed it sometimes hard to keep on top of it. Glad I'm not alone. I understand people saying about the trainers mentality of fight game but a fighter really needs to have 100% confidence in his corner imo and to me it would be impossible after that. I also understand and like motivation in a corner, being told it's a fight or that you are a champion or that this is what all the training is for, but in the 11th/12 round maybe not the 5th. Also feel like if they knew their boxer well they would've known he wasn't standing from his face/body language and threw the towel in to save a little face.

On a funny side note this is a brutal blow against Warren in the Warren Hearn feud which he seems to take so much more seriously than the other side. Will be interesting to see what ******ity he does next. It was looking good for him he had a "stadium" fighter to fill football pitches in Warrington and the next Heavyweight champ in Dubois so was competing "well" but he has neither now, and without the Top Rank deal it would be really interesting.

Great point about his trainer saying those things in the later rounds not in the 5th round when he has 7 more rounds to go.
He is a young fighter so pulling him out isn't the end of the world in that fight, more like the Wilder thing with Fury where some where hoping the right hand would land, his trainer knew this isn't one of those days. I think they were hoping DDD has a puncher's chance with his right hand, but much like Wilder even when he landed it on Joyce he wasn't doing much.

On Warren, just go and see the new interview of him spending over 10 minutes talking and taking shots at Eddie and Barry Hearn..... I mean the guy doesn't have any sense of humour, he is clearly envious and jealous of his younger rival.

When Povetkin KO'ed Whyte, he was singing, dancing about how there "isn't a mandatory anymore" and how Hearn was ****** to take that chance of putting Whyte in there with someone who was still dangerous (I agreed with that too). But now that Hearn gave a little bit of the same medicine back at him in regards to how DDD wasn't moved properly, he cannot take the same heat.

Just check the interview with Umar "IFL" Umar...

[TMLT87]

The main issue was DDD is the kind of guy that relies on his size, strength and power, but he was put in there with someone who is exceptionally hard to hurt and/or bully. Honestly I still think Dubois could be a threat to most other HWs because Joyce has certain attributes that make him a bit of an anomaly.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The main issue was DDD is the kind of guy that relies on his size, strength and power, but he was put in there with someone who is exceptionally hard to hurt and/or bully. Honestly I still think Dubois could be a threat to most other HWs because Joyce has certain attributes that make him a bit of an anomaly.

The best way to train a fighter, is to train them as if they have limited power 'That is why amateur experience can help you in the professional ranks, because it is all about out pointing your opponent'.

Joe Joyce fought a amateur styled fight, notice how he used movement and just kept everything straight down the middle 'Those are not his usual tactics'.

I was surprised how easy Dubois was to hit with the jab, he was standing too much in range 'He should of hovered outside Joyce's range then ambushed, David Haye style' i.e At heavyweight David Haye was a ambush fighter, hovering on the outside then attack etc

[Toffee]

Listened to Bowers interviewed today and thought he sounds like a right schithouse.

Don't believe him for a second that he was going to pull Dubois out after the 10th. As far as he was concerned his dog was still alive so he was staying in the fight. He didn't care what happened to Dubois and couldn't care less about ******** his health.

We hear everything in the corner now. I didn't hear concern for Dubois' health. Mind you I didn't hear any tactical adjustments either. I just heard pointless crap.

If Dubois is going to come back, he needs a change.

[Butt stuff]

As a last ditch resort they could always try to teach him to slip a jab or move his head?

[Ray*]

Listened to Bowers interviewed today and thought he sounds like a right schithouse.

Don't believe him for a second that he was going to pull Dubois out after the 10th. As far as he was concerned his dog was still alive so he was staying in the fight. He didn't care what happened to Dubois and couldn't care less about ******** his health.

We hear everything in the corner now. I didn't hear concern for Dubois' health. Mind you I didn't hear any tactical adjustments either. I just heard pointless crap.

If Dubois is going to come back, he needs a change.

Zero tactics, zilch.... They were more bothered about sounding or looking hard. DDD had no amateur background to speak off, this guys think this is some gangland "Snatch" movie or something.

He would definitely need better insight moving forward, am not saying they need firing, but they really need to learn from this for their own sake and their other fighters sake.

[Mindgames]

He’s very good at building fighters too. He didn’t really want to rush Dubois, but the pressure from BT forced him into a matchup he hasn’t prepared for.

I was surprised he didn't give Dubios the Yarde treatment .Having said that, I think Frank actually massively underestimated Joyce.As the boxing press seem to as well.Hes actually alot more skilled than he looks, and obviously tough and nails.

[Mindgames]

The best way to train a fighter, is to train them as if they have limited power 'That is why amateur experience can help you in the professional ranks, because it is all about out pointing your opponent'.

Joe Joyce fought a amateur styled fight, notice how he used movement and just kept everything straight down the middle 'Those are not his usual tactics'.

I was surprised how easy Dubois was to hit with the jab, he was standing too much in range 'He should of hovered outside Joyce's range then ambushed, David Haye style' i.e At heavyweight David Haye was a ambush fighter, hovering on the outside then attack etc

Joyce is very rangy and very mobile.Dubois didn't have the bounce to get in and out like that.Hes fell in love with power and built up some excess muscle mass.It takes alot of energy to do a Haye kind of fight,and Joe is too busy for that to work with anyway.Hes got everything but speed really,some of Joyce's early fights he actually bounced in and out quite well himself .