Comments Thread For: Don't Tell Me Daniel Dubois is a Quitter

[ShaneMosleySr]

Daniel Dubois is a quitter and Tris Dixon is a shill.

[Vinnykin]

Yes, I know what you're saying here. But, depending on the extent of the fracture, its could have a severely detrimental effect going forward, especially for a heavyweight. However, more importantly, it depends what effect quitting will have upon Dubois mind. His corner could have saved him from that imo.

It could have a severely detrimental effect on him, if he lets it....... I suffered a back-injury at 19 years old that put me motionless and in a bed for 4 weeks, unable to move. I am living with that injury 15 years later and it does not effect me...... you have to adapt.

DDD is a young man and sometimes defeat can make you more motivated......... it could also make him gun shy and hesitant.

[Clegg]

Like everyone else said, he quit so he's a quitter. Maybe a better title would've been 'he's not a coward', which I'd fully agree with, but he DID quit. This reminds me of that George Carlin routine about words changing over time because of people trying be soft and make sure nothing sounds too strong or means anything.

The whole article is just an overreaction, focused on a semantic debate. Rather than a rational discussion on how much we can expect fighters to risk and when is quitting understandable it seems to set the bar at the 'it's not really logical to expect young guys to risk their health' argument. But are we saying we could all watch a sport where every fight the losing fighter behaves like Tor Hammer and quits after 3-4 rounds of resistance despite not being hurt?

Nobody should be harsh on Dubois as a person. But if we're just assessing fighters without trying to be harsh on their character, some boxers clearly are willing to go to a certain place and take certain risks, and criticising him as a fighter is reasonable as long as the poster isn't doing it with a 'I'd never quit, he's a pussy' attitude.

Fans discuss and compare everything about boxers. Who hits harder, better, faster, who's more skilled etc.? Willingness to quit is also a factor. Wilder and Fury seem more likely to dig deep, push through the pain than Dubois. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that rather than saying 'well nobody wants to risk their health so they're all about the same don't dare suggest Dubois is a quitter'

Fury and Wilder have families too but they risk dying in the ring rather than quit, that doesn't make them better or worse human beings than Dubois but it is a FACT that they wouldn't quit/give up in situations where most fighters would

Also, while you might question the humanity of a society that cares about Duran quitting (seriously?) that's a meaningless factor. Duran didn't quit to save himself from life-threatening or career ending injury. Duran is possibly the best fighter since SRR but quitting in that fight badly hurt his legacy whether that's 'inhumane' or not.

[Vinnykin]

Like everyone else said, he quit so he's a quitter. Maybe a better title would've been 'he's not a coward', which I'd fully agree with, but he DID quit. This reminds me of that George Carlin routine about words changing over time because of people trying be soft and make sure nothing sounds too strong or means anything.

The whole article is just an overreaction, focused on a semantic debate. Rather than a rational discussion on how much we can expect fighters to risk and when is quitting understandable it seems to set the bar at the 'it's not really logical to expect young guys to risk their health' argument. But are we saying we could all watch a sport where every fight the losing fighter behaves like Tor Hammer and quits after 3-4 rounds of resistance despite not being hurt?

Nobody should be harsh on Dubois as a person. But if we're just assessing fighters without trying to be harsh on their character, some boxers clearly are willing to go to a certain place and take certain risks, and criticising him as a fighter is reasonable as long as the poster isn't doing it with a 'I'd never quit, he's a pussy' attitude.

Fans discuss and compare everything about boxers. Who hits harder, better, faster, who's more skilled etc.? Willingness to quit is also a factor. Wilder and Fury seem more likely to dig deep, push through the pain than Dubois. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that rather than saying 'well nobody wants to risk their health so they're all about the same don't dare suggest Dubois is a quitter'

Fury and Wilder have families too but they risk dying in the ring rather than quit, that doesn't make them better or worse human beings than Dubois but it is a FACT that they wouldn't quit/give up in situations where most fighters would

Also, while you might question the humanity of a society that cares about Duran quitting (seriously?) that's a meaningless factor. Duran didn't quit to save himself from life-threatening or career ending injury. Duran is possibly the best fighter since SRR but quitting in that fight badly hurt his legacy whether that's 'inhumane' or not.

Great post, green K.

[Nzrdb6]

Quitter

He quit and was right to. He can now live to fight and earn another day

[Tonyu]

This is sad for DDD as this will follow him to many people have labelled him, how this will effect him only time will tell.

His young but still has time but only his mental strength will show if this will effect him going forward.

Saturday did show his not ready for the top 10 just yet and his progress will need to slow down a bit. He was never tested before but proved his not quite ready for world title level.

Lets see what Frank does with him now.

[rudy]

Very good article i was one of those who called him a quitter i never forgot Benn vs Mccellan was ringside. Let hope he is okay and safe

[PBR Streetgang]

Muhammad Ali is a loser. So is Canelo, Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao. Disagree with me? I will point to a fight in their record where they lost.

Its the same fun word game we use with "quit" and "quitter". We take a single action and use it to label an individual and their character.

The problem is some people toss words like "quitter" or "bum" or worse around to belittle fighters they take issue with. Boxing is a tremendously brutal sport and I respect those that enter that ring.

Daniel Dubois may have retired or quit in that fight against Joyce but I would never call him a quitter unless it's something that happens so often that it's part of his character. The same way that I would never actually call any of those fighter previously mentioned "losers".

[Verus]

Boxing is a sport. There is no disgrace in acknowledging that you can't continue without risking a life-altering injury. That is simply a smart move, and akin to a businessman or a family declaring bankruptcy so they can get a fresh start after a setback.

I think the people who call fighters warriors are misguided. They are not warriors in the least. Unlike boxing or other combat sports, the main purpose of a warrior is to kill. If you have actually served you would know that war is not a game. For boxers and others to hold themselves out as warriors is more than self puffery, it diminishes the sacrifices made by real warriors.

Enough of these bogus claims that these folks are warriors and they should "go out on their shields". That is simple babble.

[Corelone]

DD realized that he was a Warren construct and that Joe wasn't in on the deal, that the only thing he had going for him was Warren's matchmaking. Why get maimed when it was all hype to begin with.