LMAO How Much More Can Boxing Dig Its Grave

[Rick Taylor]

warren is a cartoon character, i find him amusing when he's trashing eddie and blagging it, but no, i don't work for him. It's a good fight and im bigging it up.

why are you such a c*nt?

you clearly are a frank warren shill you coward.

this card is just trash with a main event of two overhyped below average level prospects

[Toffee]

just appreciate the good fights when they come
the end

we know about the issues with politics, economics, promotions/networks, timing etc in boxing..
it's not going to change, so either just enjoy the sport for what it is, or fk off....

im really excited for this fight...
but it could turn out a dud like many other fights.

no different to any other sport. for example with football/soccer, sometimes 2 teams play and it's a boring 0-0 draw, or it ends up 4-3...with spectacular goals. or it could even be a very entertaining 0-0 draw.
you're supposed to appreciate or hate after the event.

what's funny is that america has given us a whole host of dog**** HWs in recent years, so many crap fights..and yet when an elite HW comes up without any self adoration and hype...just 2 guys who are taking paycuts to fight, without a crowd, no ppv etc..and you're like 'it should be a standard fight doe'

tired of you eejits.

You've completely misunderstood my post.

It should be standard that two good fighters fight each other. That's how you start to figure out who the better fighters are.

But that's not what happens. Fights are cherry picked with the aim of picking up some random worthless world title out of the many available.

And they do that because fans can't identify a good fight for themselves. So we have the belts because the fans need the belts to make a spectacle.

I've been very clear on this forum that I'm impressed that they've made this fight. In the current boxing climate it barely makes sense. It's unusual to put two undefeated genuine title prospects in the ring. It's even more unusual to do it without a gate or PPV. The only thing I can conclude is that both fighters wanted it, believe they will win, and have forced their promoter into making it.

[Divine Hammer]

yes yes
paulie malignagi, ricky hatton, those guys in their prime would waste crawford, right?

prime paulie would completely outbox crawford and hatton would maul him easily. that's just factual common sense.

[Eff Pandas]

imagine the HW scene without aj, fury, wilder, ortiz, ruiz, whyte, povetkin, usyk etc
imagine only one company like matchroom were monopolising the sport.
imagine they were pumping $10-20m a card into promoting/advertising (hyping)..
and all of that hype was going into the likes of dominic brezeale, charles martin, bryant jennings, eric molina, helenius, dave allen, david price etc

in addition due to it being a monopoly, these guys would be in a cut throat situation where they have to 'perform' or else...

basically you would get to watch brezeale the 6ft 7 monster vs charles 'the God' martin...and it would be a competitive fight in relative terms..
it would be trending all over social media. celebs would be spunking themselves to it's tune.

now imagine allen babic walking onto the scene...and destroying those guys
he would be the greatest ever..

that's the 'walmart of proffessionalism'
capitalism at it's best.


boxing has it's problems...because it wasnt monopolised and controlled. al haymon is a huge problem too

an example of al haymon at work

a yr ago, pbc controlled the HW division.
wilder, ruiz, ortiz, joe joyce, tony yoka and efe ajagba..

we've seen wilder vs ortiz, right?
so what if al decided, aside from the odd tune up eg for ruiz and yoka coming off his suspension

we get all those guys fighting each other. that's 3-4 yrs of elite HW boxing.
they could give fights to dubois too int he US because he'swith frank warren and a free agent in the US.

what did al do?
yoka and ajagba have gone to TR
ruiz has gone down the adrien broner route...
ortiz fighting another bum in a 5 second fight.

truth is, pbc is a money laundering operation for an obscure bunch of 'investors'
think ozark...
probably got mob money going through
then you get the boxers taking money under the table..
al sets them up with knock off properties and they fix those properties for lease through the dirty money.

dazn is one big ********/fixing operation too but they actually want the sport to deliver entertaining to bring the masses back.
unfortunately the sport suffers because of overpaid tw4ts like danny jacobs.

Saying AJ, Fury & Wilder wouldn't be around if boxing worked like basically every other pro sport in existence is a silly concept.

Boxing would probably be 5x to 10x bigger than it is now if it was built to promote boxing as a whole. More talented guys would be making more money. The less talented guys would be weeded out of the sport quicker, as they should be. Fans would get the fights they wanna see. The only downside is the biggest names in the game wouldn't be making $10M-$20M to fight a bs opponent & $50M+ to fight their best opposition. So it really only sucks for the Floyd's, Canelo's, Manny's & AJ's of the sport. BUT if boxing is more mainstream, as it would be if it made any fooking sense outside the ring, then its extremely likely the biggest names in the games get more sponsorship & endorsement money like lotsa mainstream sport stars do now that sometimes eclipses the money they make in their sport.

The powers that be in boxing need to quit thinking small time & take boxing to the level it should be on with the other top sports in the world. On its best days it is on top of the totem poll of sports. The issue is it could be on that high level weekly if they thought bigger & quit thinking about the next cash out.

And someone will come along & reinvent boxing in that way when some of these old timey mfers get out or come to the realization they could be generating more revenue than they currently are.

[Inspired]

Saying AJ, Fury & Wilder wouldn't be around if boxing worked like basically every other pro sport in existence is a silly concept.

Boxing would probably be 5x to 10x bigger than it is now if it was built to promote boxing as a whole. More talented guys would be making more money. The less talented guys would be weeded out of the sport quicker, as they should be. Fans would get the fights they wanna see. The only downside is the biggest names in the game wouldn't be making $10M-$20M to fight a bs opponent & $50M+ to fight their best opposition. So it really only sucks for the Floyd's, Canelo's, Manny's & AJ's of the sport. BUT if boxing is more mainstream, as it would be if it made any fooking sense outside the ring, then its extremely likely the biggest names in the games get more sponsorship & endorsement money like lotsa mainstream sport stars do now that sometimes eclipses the money they make in their sport.

The powers that be in boxing need to quit thinking small time & take boxing to the level it should be on with the other top sports in the world. On its best days it is on top of the totem poll of sports. The issue is it could be on that high level weekly if they thought bigger & quit thinking about the next cash out.

And someone will come along & reinvent boxing in that way when some of these old timey mfers get out or come to the realization they could be generating more revenue than they currently are.

i literally didnt say that
i was creating a context of how ufc promotes compared to boxing..
eg imagine if there was no fury, aj, wilder etc (i say this because the ufc was in it's infancy so began from a low quality and are still working up, it's why a guy like hamzat chimaev can come, win 3 fights and he's the most trending ufc star after khabib in recent times) literally the quality at the top was not that great..but it was pushed like it was.
The quality isnt that great but it's competitive...
that's like watching womens boxing, competitive, entertaining, but the quality isnt that great.

so back to the example,
imagine brezeale, martin etc were basically built up as the Elite HWs...with $10-20m per fight card to promote the hell out of them.
then imagine someone like dubois coming in with the same promotional backing and fighting brezeale
he'd easily beat him...but the fans would perceive it to be a 'best vs the best' type of fight.

yet in real life, dubois vs joe joyce is a mere afterthought. the contexts are down to the way boxing has been built up from ground floor.
matchroom in the UK are doing fairly well in the way they promote but it's only the small uk subculture who appreciates it due to their affiliation with youtube channels like ifl tv, boxing social etc.
so for example in the summer, in eddie's garden the whole week long build ups to each card..
it created a particular buzz around each card where you got into the story of each boxer and the upcoming fight. the fights were largely competitive and entertaining.
it was, a very inclusive context that.

an example i keep on using of this 'working' in america, is when Danny garcia fought zab judah a few yrs back..
the reality was in the context...a small subculture in boxing who were tuned in to the backstory/context and there was a lot of youtube content in the lead up..
that fight became very entertaining.
another one was jermell charlo vs tony harrison.

the problem is the audience in these examples, are too small.
the UFC spend $10-20m per card..
they have a monopoly on their sport so they can. that won't happen in boxing anytime soon.


still, all this said
jacobs vs rosado was an embarassing fight, fk danny jacobs. ill never take the guy seriously again. he's like hughie fury.

[Ray*]

Y'all complain then be tuned back in later. Boxing is what it is. Take the good with the bad

True 😂 😂 😂

[Eff Pandas]

i literally didnt say that
i was creating a context of how ufc promotes compared to boxing..
eg imagine if there was no fury, aj, wilder etc (i say this because the ufc was in it's infancy so began from a low quality and are still working up, it's why a guy like hamzat chimaev can come, win 3 fights and he's the most trending ufc star after khabib in recent times) literally the quality at the top was not that great..but it was pushed like it was.
The quality isnt that great but it's competitive...
that's like watching womens boxing, competitive, entertaining, but the quality isnt that great.

so back to the example,
imagine brezeale, martin etc were basically built up as the Elite HWs...with $10-20m per fight card to promote the hell out of them.
then imagine someone like dubois coming in with the same promotional backing and fighting brezeale
he'd easily beat him...but the fans would perceive it to be a 'best vs the best' type of fight.

yet in real life, dubois vs joe joyce is a mere afterthought.

If boxing was like other mainstream sports the Joyce vs DDD fight woulda happened already & likely the winner is fighting for the belt soon, already has it or fought for it & lost. Martin & Breazeale are probably gate keepers at best in that world. The boxing landscape would get figured out quicker if it was run like every other pro sports organization.

[Straight Up]

it's just sad reading the point of view of others. it's like they see their girlfriend getting facked in the ass and they still say "no somebody just slipped and it's an accident"

yep keep telling yourselves boxing isn't fading away.