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  • Sid-Knee
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    #111
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
    IF the fight was to be held in England they would attempt to accommodate American PPV as much as possible with the start time.

    But because of the large sums of money involved it's extremely likely that they would have ended up putting the bout in Las Vegas instead.



    Haymon is very familiar with how much money can be brought in from Vegas site fees and a successful PPV. Offering a $50 million guarantee is nothing if they get to keep the rest.

    The question is why Joshua declined and ducked the offer? Since $50 million is exactly what he had asked for?



    They aren't tragic at all.

    Pacquiao vs Broner sold around 400,000 PPVs. Those are two fighters with high name recognition.

    For Wilder to get ~300,000 buys in this era against a relative unknown like Luis Ortiz is quite good.



    Fury flopped against Wallin. 3500 tickets sold. And 5489 tickets sold against Schwarz.

    Wilder had 13,182 in attendance for the Breazeale fight.

    Those numbers are not close at all.



    I just relay the facts. If you get butthurt about them or start to cry then that's on you.
    I'm asking you why 15 Mill was a lowball offer if Wilder was a nobody in the UK? Stop f3cking deflecting all the time. I know what you're doing.

    Large sums of money in Vegas you say? But AJ isn't a star in the US remember? Wilder has only lost his side big money, not made it. How much do you think Wilder got paid for the rematch against Fury? Everything else would have to made up by AJ. But remember, he isn't a star.

    Haymon knows about successful PPV's?? Just wait... Hahahahahahahahaha.

    Sorry.

    Why didn't they do all this for the supposed number 1 and 2 in Fury/Wilder? Why did they lose 10's of millions instead of making profit? You said they were bigger stars than AJ in the US. So why couldn't they even break even by a long shot? Why didn't they make 100 Mill or more in profit like you seem to think the AJ fight would, even though you say AJ isn't a star, but Fury and wilder are in the US? Hmmm?

    The 50 Mill offer that had BT Sport putting up most of the money which they and Eddies nemeses Frank warren confirmed? The deal that meant AJ would have had to pay Sky 33 Million pound just to break from his contract with them which would have meant fighting for less than he gets against anybody for a fight he travels in, and has another company run the show where they set him up and rip him off like they did with Fury in the first fight? GTFOH.

    Broner is a bum. Pac is as old as the arc. They're not selling like they used to.

    For a fighter who holds a world title at Heavyweight, made 6 defences, and is a supposed star, 300,000 PPV sales is good? In a country that has a population of 333 Million or more people? Yeah, it's not. It's stinking. Really stinking.

    Now give me the Wilder attendance numbers just before he won the title, then all his title fights. Don't just pick one out. Nobody knew who Wallin or the other guy was. Fury had only had 2 fights in the US before those 2. And Wilder is the American. Fury isn't. Yet when it came to the rematch, most there were for Fury, not Wilder.

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      #112
      Originally posted by Sid-Knee
      I'm asking you why 15 Mill was a lowball offer if Wilder was a nobody in the UK? Stop f3cking deflecting all the time. I know what you're doing.
      I already answered this question. 15 million was a lowball offer because of what Wilder means to the American PPV side of the equation.

      Is that clear enough for you?

      How many more times do you want me to answer it?

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        #113
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
        I already answered this question. 15 million was a lowball offer because of what Wilder means to the American PPV side of the equation.

        Is that clear enough for you?

        How many more times do you want me to answer it?
        You think they would do a successful PPV in the middle of the day in the US? No they wouldn't. They have said many times they wouldn't.

        Wilder did poor numbers at prime time in the US with Ortiz. What makes you think that the numbers would be huge against a fighter in AJ that isn't a star according to you in the middle of the day?

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          #114
          Originally posted by Sid-Knee
          You think they would do a successful PPV in the middle of the day in the US? No they wouldn't. They have said many times they wouldn't.

          Wilder did poor numbers at prime time in the US with Ortiz. What makes you think that the numbers would be huge against a fighter in AJ that isn't a star according to you in the middle of the day?
          What makes you think they would keep the fight on in the middle of the day?

          And what makes you think they wouldn't just hold the fight in Las Vegas instead?

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            #115
            Originally posted by Bluebird
            I am a Pac fan but I didn’t hate everything Mayweather did, I think fighting McGregor was a brilliant idea "money wise”, Muhammad Ali fought Inoki, a Japanese professional wrestler in the ‘70s although it’s not a boxing match. Like I said, him and Pac already paid their dues in boxing so they could fight anybody they want when the money is right. The young and undefeated fighters nowadays wouldn’t fight each other, they’re the ones that should be criticized.
            Very sensible pov.

            Everyone but the vast majority of Pac fans refuse to see May vs McG for what it was. A business decision.

            Everyone in their right mind would fight McG for even $100 mil. Pac is trying to get it done now.

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              #116
              Originally posted by Bigchip
              Typical bittcchhazz response. Now it’s talk to Alan Haymon. Last year it was “I’m my own promoter. I don’t answer to anyone.” This guy is a hypocrite. I’m pulling for Danny to KO this guy. At least I know Danny won’t dance around the subject. He’ll fight whoever.

              Lol. Ironic seeing as how Spence called out Garcia for quite a long time and the fight was never made, but when Garcia finally decided to let his nuts hang Errol answered the call immediately.

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                #117
                Originally posted by JLC
                Damn. Brook, Porter, and Garcia are the easy route. Bet.
                Yes considering it was Bud in his face asking for the bogeyman to man up and fight him. Spence said Al didn't even have Bud on the list and now he's saying two three fights left at 147.

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by JLC
                  And now he’s fighting a third. Thurman was unwilling to fight Spence. Thurman could have fought him instead of Porter, and instead of Garcia. He didnt. Still, at that time Thurman had the best resume in the division from fighting those guys, outside of Pacquaio.

                  I will say that when Thurman was refusing to fight Errol there was a period where both guys were champs. If Errol isn’t trying to fight Keith right now so what ? He’s no longer a champ. We forget real quick how Thurman was saying “I don’t want Spence next. Or the fight after. Or the fight after. Maybe in 2021.” He said that in 2019 !

                  Spence was eager to unify with Thurman. Eager to unify with Porter. Easy fights to be made within the PBC. Maybe I’m just not keen on trusting Arum when he says stuff, but I just don’t put all the blame on Spence / Haymon for the Crawford fight not taking shape.

                  One guy has a plethora of solid fights that will make money on PPV available to him, two belts, a recent history of profitable PPVs and attendance, and likely ANOTHER successful PPV coming up in a few weeks.

                  The other guy has one belt, hasn’t fought any solid names in the division, no profitable PPVs, and now to add insult to injury his crooked promoter is trashing his name and taking a fat 89 year old **** on his financial viability as a fighter.

                  If this isn’t a 60/40 deal I don’t know what is. My hope is that Bob can get Pacquaio in the ring w Crawford to get him 2 belts. Crawford leaves Top rank. Spence beats Garcia in December, and we have Spence v Crawford in 2021.

                  I’m a fan of both. I def enjoy watching Crawford more and think he wins the fight. But if I’m being honest, There’s no way I can call Spence a duck for this **** not happening yet. Plenty of blame to go around as usual in this sport.
                  I don't completely disagree but all these other fights are about 2 years too late and they've all been stripped of their belts. Maybe I'm just disappointed because I thought "strap season" meant anybody with a strap can get it but now it looks like Pac or defeated fighters can get it. Let's keep pushing it off though and see what that does for the sport. I'm personally sick of it. Spence ain't even talking **** to entertain us.
                  At least entertain the idea for me!

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                    It's just reality.

                    Expecting Errol not to be the A-side is silly. As is Crawford wanting a 60-40 split in his favor.
                    I have no problem with that. Terence just recently started with that but there's a whole two years of Bud on the chase. I would feel like top dog too if the top dog was avoiding me.

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                      He has consistently made big fights. You must have missed the last 3 years.
                      What live opponent has he fought? Kell was damaged, Lamont was small and old, Garcia saw something, Porter is a great loser and Danny hasn't looked good for a while nor had he fought anybody for a while.

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