Comments Thread For: Hearn: Arum's Comments Were So Disrespectful To Terence Crawford

[JLC]

"He is a superstar in Omaha"

The problem is Haymon will not let ANY of his fighters fight anyone outside his promotion

Wilder Fury 1 (voluntary)
Wilder Fury 2 (voluntary)

So this statement is BS. What promotional company out there is voluntarily matching their champions with outside companies ? All of them do it from time to time, but most of them do in house fights. So don’t single out Haymon for this practice. Haymon has ALL the good welterweights except for Bud. So why TF would bud stay with Top Rank knowing this ? Knowing how boxing and boxing politics work ? He did this to himself and he can blame only himself for signing. And Arum knows how boxing works too because he matched Pacquiao with Bradley 3 times and Marquez 4 times (and would have done it again had JMM went for it) so he has no business getting pissed about a promotional company making in house fights. That’s how it works ! If anything Arum is to blame because he couldn’t hold on to Manny long enough for Terrance to fight him. As a matter of fact that’s probably the ONLY reason Terrance resigned with him and he let Pac man walk. So **** Bob Arum. Do your job as a promoter and nobody is in this mess.


And as far as Hearn just angling for position, maybe he is. But that doesn’t make what he says any less true. Bob is very disrespectful and it’s no mystery why every PPV talent he’s had from Pacquaio, Floyd, Cotto, Oscar has left him. Al Haymon doesn’t seem to have that problem.

[ShoulderRoll]

How can any self-respecting, grown ass man go back to working with Arum after he said that?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Promoting is much more than that, that's a business. They made "pretty boy Floyd"

That's a fact, wether you like or not.

No, they did not make "Pretty Boy Floyd". That came because of his dad.

All Arum did was sign checks and open venues.

The reason you're not thinking logically is this.

If Arum did such a ****up job promoting Floyd, why would he want to leave to fight Baldomir?

It's because Arum was trying to do to Floyd what he's doing to Crawford - have him fight lesser fighters for less money instead of going after champions. HE decided to do that, NOT Arum.

Floyd's paydays did NOT come because of Arum. And if you don't get paid good money under your promoter, they're not promoting you effectively.

Facts. You may not like them, but that's the truth of the matter.

[HandsofIron]

Wow....I didn't Arum said this. What about his favorite line, "the greatest since Mohammed Ali"?

Arum is still upset at Lomo's loss I see. That is who Arum wanted to promote into superstar, but everything fell flat with this Lomo dude. Sorry, Arum, for your crashed hype.

Not even close bro, on the contrary, Arum is estatic that Teo won because he is Latin and Latinos are the number 1 fanbases in boxing, particularly the Mexican and Puerto Rican fanbase. Loma is still with TR, Arum can make fights with him at 130 lbs.

It should be obvious by now that Top Rank is looking at Teofimo Lopez as the future of their company.

[jdp28tx]

Wilder Fury 1 (voluntary)
Wilder Fury 2 (voluntary)

So this statement is BS. What promotional company out there is voluntarily matching their champions with outside companies ? All of them do it from time to time, but most of them do in house fights. So don’t single out Haymon for this practice. Haymon has ALL the good welterweights except for Bud. So why TF would bud stay with Top Rank knowing this ? Knowing how boxing and boxing politics work ? He did this to himself and he can blame only himself for signing. And Arum knows how boxing works too because he matched Pacquiao with Bradley 3 times and Marquez 4 times (and would have done it again had JMM went for it) so he has no business getting pissed about a promotional company making in house fights. That’s how it works ! If anything Arum is to blame because he couldn’t hold on to Manny long enough for Terrance to fight him. As a matter of fact that’s probably the ONLY reason Terrance resigned with him and he let Pac man walk. So **** Bob Arum. Do your job as a promoter and nobody is in this mess.

You are an idiot. Look at the past 7 years. Wilder vs Fury is the exception to the rule. Wilder had to eventually fight a named fighter he had been costing on nobodies for years. The vast majority of PBC fighters will not fight anyone outside of PBC. As for your other question. Just look at the past 100 years of boxing and you will see overwhelming evidence of everyone fighting everyone no matter who promoted who. This all came to a stop when Haymon took all of Golden Boys fighters and his attitude spread and forced some promoters to act in kind to protect their interests. Yes, there is a fight here and there of PBC fighting someone else, but everyone knows it is not the norm. Hell, it goes beyond that. Haymon does not even get the vast majority of his stable regular fights. He is a cancer plus he is the worst promoter in the history of the sport. His huge failure where he wasted almost half a billion $ to try and monopolize tv and boxing has to be the single biggest promotional failure in the long history of boxing. He brings the attitude of his corporate, banking, Harvard business that all the competition should be crushed because having a monopoly is a good thing for him, but not for the sport.

Those fighters you named left him because that is what big stars do. They eventually become so big they do not need a promoter anymore. Oscar led the way followed by Floyd and others.

[James Hunt]

"He is a superstar in Omaha"

A very funny line. As if Omaha was NYC. The problem is Haymon will not let ANY of his fighters fight anyone outside his promotion and no matter how much promoting Arum would or could do with Crawford is irrelevant because Haymon will not let his fighters fight outside of PBC (hell, he barely wants his best PBC fighters to fight each other). Not only is this a detriment to PBC fighters careers, money wise, star making ability, and most importantly their body of work, it is a detriment to all fighters outside of PBC and boxing as a whole.

Haymon has been an absolute disaster for the sport and he is responsible for its decline overall due to his attitude and refusal to let his fighters fight the best out there. As for Arum, there is not much he can do about it no matter how much he promotes Crawford. Just look at Canelo, his is the biggest star in boxing and anyone who fights him gets the biggest pay day of their careers yet he also has trouble finding people to get in the ring with him, especially PBC fighters like the Charlo brothers. And this is all because of the Haymon effect which has spread outside of PBC and has infected other fighters attitudes. Just look at Garcia and Derevyanchenko. Both bought into the Haymon effect and ruined their chances of becoming rich and a big star.

We all know Arum would make a fight with any promoter as long as there is money to be made. Haymon still has this fantasy that he can monopolize boxing with this behavior. Haymon is a cancer to boxing and the cancer has spread to every organ.

Exactly this!

[HandsofIron]

Was it kinda messed up what Arum said? Yeah maybe but he ain't lying.

Terence Crawford is arguably, the best pound for pund fighter in the sport right now but the problem is he has no fanbase and neither does Spence.

[Curtis2]

Wilder Fury 1 (voluntary)
Wilder Fury 2 (voluntary)

So this statement is BS. What promotional company out there is voluntarily matching their champions with outside companies ? All of them do it from time to time, but most of them do in house fights. So don’t single out Haymon for this practice. Haymon has ALL the good welterweights except for Bud. So why TF would bud stay with Top Rank knowing this ? Knowing how boxing and boxing politics work ? He did this to himself and he can blame only himself for signing. And Arum knows how boxing works too because he matched Pacquiao with Bradley 3 times and Marquez 4 times (and would have done it again had JMM went for it) so he has no business getting pissed about a promotional company making in house fights. That’s how it works ! If anything Arum is to blame because he couldn’t hold on to Manny long enough for Terrance to fight him. As a matter of fact that’s probably the ONLY reason Terrance resigned with him and he let Pac man walk. So **** Bob Arum. Do your job as a promoter and nobody is in this mess.


And as far as Hearn just angling for position, maybe he is. But that doesn’t make what he says any less true. Bob is very disrespectful and it’s no mystery why every PPV talent he’s had from Pacquaio, Floyd, Cotto, Oscar has left him. Al Haymon doesn’t seem to have that problem.

Haymon did a great job and rewarded boxing fans by matching Danny Garcia outside PBC with competitors like, Ivan Redkach, Adrian Granados & Brandon Rios.... Al's known for recycling $$$$ with cherry pickers...

[jdp28tx]

Not even close bro, on the contrary, Arum is estatic that Teo won because he is Latin and Latinos are the number 1 fanbases in boxing, particularly the Mexican and Puerto Rican fanbase. Loma is still with TR, Arum can make fights with him at 130 lbs.

It should be obvious by now that Top Rank is looking at Teofimo Lopez as the future of their company.

The problem with Loma, no matter all his boxing skills and pedigree he's a Ukrainian and not a Mexican. He is missing that ability to take punishment no matter what the cost in order to win. Most Eastern European fighters just do not have this key element. GGG is another perfect example he was not willing to take heavy punishment from Canelo in order to get inside and win. This ability is usually only ingrained in Mexican and African American fighters. Yes, some Irish and Italian fighters have a quality to take punishment, but they usually lose in the process. Loma was not able or willing to take punishment from Lopez and do what was necessary to win, that is what makes a great fighter.

[jdp28tx]

Haymon did a great job and rewarded boxing fans by matching Danny Garcia outside PBC with competitors like, Ivan Redkach, Adrian Granados & Brandon Rios.... Al's known for recycling $$$$ with cherry pickers...

Yet more evidence proving my original comment. Thanks! PBC fighters only step up their competition when forced too and after very long stretches (years) of fighting bums.