Phrases that need eradicating from boxing.

[BrometheusBob.]

For me, I spit on P4P.

If you tell me there are a group of best boxers in the world top 10 or whatever, I accept gladly. If you then say you can rate them or number them as you like, I still follow you. I can respect that.

But if you say P4P, if they were the same weight, Loma would beat Davis, Fury, Canelo, Spence, Inoue, etc., then I get confused. I can't determine that.

It's utter BS.

Eh I don't think p4p was intended to mean that we picture them at different weights going against each other.

It's just so we can say, these are the fighters held in the highest regard right now. Otherwise if we were just to make a list of top 10 boxers outright, we'd have to pick all or mostly heavyweights.

[Toffee]

Eh I don't think p4p was intended to mean that we picture them at different weights going against each other.

It's just so we can say, these are the fighters held in the highest regard right now. Otherwise if we were just to make a list of top 10 boxers outright, we'd have to pick all or mostly heavyweights.

But that's exactly what p4p means. It's about as legitimate as asking "what would win a fight between a 200 pound spider and a 200 pound tiger?".

We already have an overall ranking. It's the unrestricted weight class ie the Heavyweight Champion is the boxing champion. In what other sport do we attempt to normalise performance across classifications?

Gender for Gender world soccer player? Race for Race sprinter? Disability for Disability Paralympian?

[Mammoth]

I get it to a degree, as I've always thought that a tie round should go to the champ (I dont believe in 10-10 rounds) but I don't think you need to win 11-1 to take the title, just 7 good rounds.

Yes, a belt shouldn't mean people award you the swing-y rounds just because they might be more familiar with who you are. Could be 114-113 but if the challenger scored a kd to get him there he should be the new champion.

If somebody wins, they should win.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

But that's exactly what p4p means. It's about as legitimate as asking "what would win a fight between a 200 pound spider and a 200 pound tiger?".

We already have an overall ranking. It's the unrestricted weight class ie the Heavyweight Champion is the boxing champion. In what other sport do we attempt to normalise performance across classifications?

Gender for Gender world soccer player? Race for Race sprinter? Disability for Disability Paralympian?

All sports are categorised in some ways, whether it be positions, weight classes, disciplines etc.

Steph Curry is one of the greatest NBA players in the world but could he beat many players one on one?

Same with Messi in football, could Tom Brady play defence in the NFL?

P4P definitely has its flaws but I don’t think we should just recognise whoever the HW champion is as the greatest or premier fighter in the world, especially if they clearly aren’t as skilled or accomplished as fighters in lower weight classes.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Eh I don't think p4p was intended to mean that we picture them at different weights going against each other.

It's just so we can say, these are the fighters held in the highest regard right now. Otherwise if we were just to make a list of top 10 boxers outright, we'd have to pick all or mostly heavyweights.

Yeah I see it more and who’s the most skilled and/or accomplished. Not who would theoretically win if all things were equal.

[MUNG]

he's the wba regular champ
he's the wba super champ
he's the wba champ ;-)

[whollisboxing]

Not a specific phrase but everybody on this site seems to know with 100% certainty the exact length of every fighter's prime.

Floyd beat Canelo? The 43 fight veteran, reigning unified and Ring champion, with six defenses was "too green"

Floyd beat Pacquiao? Floyd, who retired after one more real fight and is two years older, was "prime" but Pacquiao, who is still a world champion five years later, was "washed up"

I'm not even a Mayweather fan but it seems his prime lasted the entire length of his career while every one of his opponents magically peaked either way before or way after he beat them.

That's a great point, and yes, people will often create their own narrative to fit their argument. I also think that people have different definitions of "prime".

Some people think that a fighter is "prime" as long as they are competing at a high level (Mayweather) while others judge it strictly by age (i.e. a fighter's prime years are 25-32 years old).

I look at a fighter's career in phases (and the names aren't to be taken literally)

1. Prospect (starting to make a name for himself)

2. Contender (fighter approaching their prime)

3. Titlist ( fighter entering their prime)

4. Unified Champion (A fighter's absolute peak)

5. Aging champion (fighter at the back end of their prime)

6. Former champion (past prime but still capable)

7. Stepping stone (way past prime, struggling with fighters they would have beaten easily before)

8. Shot fighter (time to retire)

[_Rexy_]

Yes, a belt shouldn't mean people award you the swing-y rounds just because they might be more familiar with who you are. Could be 114-113 but if the challenger scored a kd to get him there he should be the new champion.

If somebody wins, they should win.

“Tie goes to the champ” is nothing new. I’m not talking about just close rounds, but the ones where after three minutes you go “well ****, I don’t know.”

[whollisboxing]

Yes! I hate it when professional fighters even world champions get called “green”.

A novice amateur who’s had a handful of senior contests is “green”, a professional fighter who’s boxed hundreds of rounds is not.

People usually break out those terms when it fits their narrative. For example, Canelo Alvarez was a unified titlist coming off a then-career best win when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Then all of a sudden he was green after Floyd won convincingly. And if Canelo had won then there would have been plenty of people saying that Floyd was old.

[Butt stuff]

My Best Fighters in the World Top 10:

1. Davis
2. Crawford
3. Canelo
4. Estrada
5. Spence
6. Usyk
7. Inoue
8. Jermall Charlo
9. Jermell Charlo
10. Katie Taylor

As far as I can go for now. There are way more. Don't care about the order.

Dang, you just exposed yourself as a hypejob poster. Taylor got the **** beat out of her by a part time boxer only a few months ago.