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  • Bronx2245
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    #51
    Originally posted by Doubledagger
    Why? Because he fights old age home opponents like Kovalev and GGG? Cancer patients like Jacobs?

    Don't even want to mention Rocky Fielding, Liam Smith, and Chavez jr smh!
    True, Kovalev was 36, but he beat him @ 175, which is incredible for a MW! That old man was coming of a KO win, earlier that year too! The second time Canelo fought GGG, GGG was 32! Nowhere near an old man! Canelo's resume is way better than Crawford's! If you hate Canelo, just say that, but you can't change history!

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    • Eff Pandas
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      #52
      That's like saying this cake is amazing except for the frosting.

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      • Bronx2245
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        #53
        Originally posted by Oregonian
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        I’m going to agree yet again.
        The sad thing is, I think Crawford can hang with these guys but he just chooses the easier (PAC) route.
        PAC had the tools to beat almost all the top guys at WW but he chose to go after Broner, Mathysse, Horn, Algieri, Vargas etc.
        Well, the "Pac Route" was designed by the same promoter! When your promoter is the rival of the organization with all the best talent in your weight class, you're going to have problems! When your promoter says things like "he's scared of needles," or "Haymon will tell Spence not to listen to the White guys," you're going to have problems! Pac fixed his problems! Crawford doubled-down on his problems, and now he's fighting Kell Brook!

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        • #1PaperChamp
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          #54
          Originally posted by BigJoe999
          The Salka fight was a little tough to justify, lol....But his level of competition is pretty much equal to the other guys, with the exception of Manny, and better overall than Crawford's. I know he has had some good luck with decisions here and there, but the competition was solid.
          I like Danny but when the OP says Danny has a better resume than Crawford i scratch my head. Danny lost to Abril and arguably Lamont Peterson and hes fought guys like Garanados, Salka, and Redkach when better opppsition was available.

          Crawford has no disputed fights and was lineal at 140...something Danny didnt accomplish (not sure he would've with the Abril fight). And TC beat undefeated Gamboa at 135, undefeated Horn at WW (who beat Manny or was very competitive at the least).

          No Crawford hasnt gotten the fights he needs like Danny, Porter, Spence, Keith, or Manny BUT we know Manny and Danny both passed on fights with TC in the past. It wasnt until this COVID year that any of the PBC guys have entertained fighting TC.

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          • Henrock
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            #55
            He scared of Shawn Porter

            He was offered a fight and Shawn is his mandatory and he is ducking his first real fight , he is a paper champ , he doesn’t fight any real competition , fight someone darn it

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              #56
              Originally posted by BigJoe999
              I have the same feeling....it might not be against Kell but I dont envision a long career for Bud. Of course, if someone brings this up in 2025, and he is still around, then I was joking.

              But when you think about it, every great fighter has fought fights where he was the underdog or at the very least, only a slight favorite...Ali, RJJ (admittedly, only Toney comes to mind) Pernell, Jcc sr, Floyd etc.

              Look at every single title fight Crawford has. Are there any you would pick against him?

              He is a talented guy, but he has also been matched well.
              This is why I refuse to put Crawford as P4P #1(at this point he shouldn't even be top 5 anymore). When I tried to tell people Crawford looks as good as he has because of the matchmakers at TR(something they are well known for having, the best matchmakers in the business) people jumped my **** for it even though my argument for it is sound. Crawford fights either A. Some guys with legit skills(Felix Diaz, Hank Lundy, and Gamboa come to mind) but are completely physically outmatched or guys who can physically match up well with him(Indongo, Postol, Mean Machine) but while not completely unskilled are pretty straight up and down and once you figure out their first gameplan don't have a secondary skillset to fall back on to try to get themselves out of trouble.

              There is a reason I look at him and Lomachenko career with side eyed su****ion, because the flaws are right there in the open to be seen, but when a fighter is still winning fights, even though they should win these fights, convincingly people will just call you a hater for making simple observations.

              I'll tell you this, people who were in the amateurs at the same time as Crawford are amazed at how far he has gone in the sport, because he was not a standout amatuer at all and no promotional company was in a hurry to sign him, and for good reason. Not saying a fighter can't improve, but the man went from not being a highly rated prospect to P4P#1 and that doesn't usually happen.
              Last edited by Dallas' 4 Eva; 11-10-2020, 09:12 AM.

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              • alexjust
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                #57
                Originally posted by Doubledagger
                Lol, actually the fact that you failed to mention a single name says it all.

                Only good name on Loma's record is Garry Russel junior. The guy who fights once a year and never fights any elite opponents.

                And Loma? Well, Loma lost to a 23 year old with fifteen fights.

                Tell me, do you think the current version of Crawford would lose to a 23 year old with fifteen fights?

                I thought as much.
                It depends on a 23 y.o. Names are on the list. Almost every name there is either a champion or a contender. Read the names.

                Tell me who Crawford fought in his 3rd fight. Or 13th. Or 20th. Got the point? Compare these results. And tell me the future HOF or ATGs that Crawford has fought. Hey, it might compensate the "slow start" compared to Loma's. Khan? Brook?

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                • Doubledagger
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Bronx2245
                  True, Kovalev was 36, but he beat him @ 175, which is incredible for a MW! That old man was coming of a KO win, earlier that year too! The second time Canelo fought GGG, GGG was 32! Nowhere near an old man! Canelo's resume is way better than Crawford's! If you hate Canelo, just say that, but you can't change history!
                  GGG was never 32 when he fought Canelo even in the first fight. Lol, why you gotta tell such blatant lies bruh?

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                  • Gary Coleman
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by kafkod
                    If Brook can roll back the years and come in close to the form he was showing pre GGG, Crawford is in for one a hell of a fight.
                    Yup!

                    I'll take it step further. The Brook that showed up against GGG beats Bud. His skills aren't being sharpened by the soft touches he's been facing.

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                    • Ochoa780
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Doubledagger
                      Why? Because he fights old age home opponents like Kovalev and GGG? Cancer patients like Jacobs?

                      Don't even want to mention Rocky Fielding, Liam Smith, and Chavez jr smh!
                      So in your opinion danny Jacob's golovkin and kovalev are bad W's??

                      Originally posted by Roadblock
                      I think TCs career has more to do with Arum than Haymon, Arum puts fighters in moth balls for financial reasons, its his way of milking their longevity and income.
                      This is on point and people seem to think TR is the saving grace of boxing. Arum has been doing this for decades lol
                      Originally posted by Bronx2245
                      True, Kovalev was 36, but he beat him @ 175, which is incredible for a MW! That old man was coming of a KO win, earlier that year too! The second time Canelo fought GGG, GGG was 32! Nowhere near an old man! Canelo's resume is way better than Crawford's! If you hate Canelo, just say that, but you can't change history!
                      Yea I would have canelo as #1 also, I wouldnt put Crawford Crawford Spence at this point just because of the level of competition
                      Originally posted by #1PaperChamp
                      I like Danny but when the OP says Danny has a better resume than Crawford i scratch my head. Danny lost to Abril and arguably Lamont Peterson and hes fought guys like Garanados, Salka, and Redkach when better opppsition was available.

                      Crawford has no disputed fights and was lineal at 140...something Danny didnt accomplish (not sure he would've with the Abril fight). And TC beat undefeated Gamboa at 135, undefeated Horn at WW (who beat Manny or was very competitive at the least).

                      No Crawford hasnt gotten the fights he needs like Danny, Porter, Spence, Keith, or Manny BUT we know Manny and Danny both passed on fights with TC in the past. It wasnt until this COVID year that any of the PBC guys have entertained fighting TC.
                      I believe me and the other poster said danny had a more impressive run through 140, undisputed or not he basically fought everyone.

                      And at 147 despite the losses at least hes fighting most of the top dogs.

                      Crawford is fighting his first actual ww and it's a kell brook two new eye sockets later and like 3 years removed from being any semblance of what he used to be

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