Comments Thread For: "Strength Of Schedule" Is The Only Knock Against Terence Crawford

[Bronx2245]

GGG was never 32 when he fought Canelo even in the first fight. Lol, why you gotta tell such blatant lies bruh?

That's my bad! Trees! Lol!

[Bronx2245]

So in your opinion danny Jacob's golovkin and kovalev are bad W's??


This is on point and people seem to think TR is the saving grace of boxing. Arum has been doing this for decades lol

Yea I would have canelo as #1 also, I wouldnt put Crawford Crawford Spence at this point just because of the level of competition

I believe me and the other poster said danny had a more impressive run through 140, undisputed or not he basically fought everyone.

And at 147 despite the losses at least hes fighting most of the top dogs.

Crawford is fighting his first actual ww and it's a kell brook two new eye sockets later and like 3 years removed from being any semblance of what he used to be

I stand corrected! GGG was not 32! He was still P4P! Canelo fought him twice. He also fought Lara and Mayweather! Has Crawford faced anyone in the P4P Top 10?

[theface07]

"Since the Postol fight, Crawford has faced the following opponents: John Molina Jr., Felix Diaz, Julius Indongo, Jeff Horn, Jose Benavidez Jr., Amir Khan, Egidijus Kavaliauskas. The latter four have represented his ongoing title run in the welterweight division."

That part! That is why Canelo should be seen as P4P #1 Boxer in the world!

Nope. He's a two time proven juicer. Plus he has the refs and judges in his pocket and cherry picks older fighters. He's not getting on top of my p4p list with all the dirt him and the Reynosio's are after getting up to. You can put him on top of your list though, I don't mind.

[MoneyKasha]

Who has the better resume GGG or Crawford?

[Bronx2245]

Nope. He's a two time proven juicer. Plus he has the refs and judges in his pocket and cherry picks older fighters. He's not getting on top of my p4p list with all the dirt him and the Reynosio's are after getting up to. You can put him on top of your list though, I don't mind.

I don't co-sign the "tainted meat," but I can't ignore fighting Cotto, Lara, and Mayweather, 3 of my favorites, and GGG X 2! That's levels above Indongo, Horn, Khan, and Brook!

[Ochoa780]

I stand corrected! GGG was not 32! He was still P4P! Canelo fought him twice. He also fought Lara and Mayweather! Has Crawford faced anyone in the P4P Top 10?

I wasnt disagreeing. The post I commented on was saying golovkin kovalev and Jacob's were bad wins for canelo.. unless I misread..?

[Doubledagger]

I stand corrected! GGG was not 32! He was still P4P! Canelo fought him twice. He also fought Lara and Mayweather! Has Crawford faced anyone in the P4P Top 10?

Bruh why you act like fighting Mayweather is some kind of badge of honor? EVERYONE wanted to fight Money Mayweather, I mean EVERYONE.

Even Andre Ward wanted fo fight Mayweather.

It aint like anyone was ducking Money Mayweather.

Pretty Boy Floyd was being ducked yes, but Money Mayweather? No one was ducking that guy.

Also, why would you even bring that loss up as if it adds to Canelo's prowess or ranking. He lost, very easily, to a 36 year old welterweight who weighed 150lbs on fight night compared to his 165lbs.

That's not something you bring up to support your argument.

Most people think he lost to GGG and Lara too, and when I say most people, I don't just mean fanboys on social media, mainstream media and his peers also thought he lost those fights.

That doesn't exactly support your argument that Canelo is p4p.

The fact of the matter is that Canelo has failed to seperate himself from his opponents almost every time he stepped up or outright lost.

This is why it baffles me that this guy is regarded as p4p number 1.

P4p means, if everyone was the same natural size or weight class, who would beat everyone.

Do people really expect me to believe Canelo would beat Crawford if they were the same size?

Would he beat Spence or Fury if they were the same size?

Heck he won't even fight Charlo ir Andrade in his own weight class, or Benevides.

What makes this guy p4p #1 exactly?

Would he beat Loma? Definitely, I always knew Loma was overated, never understood why people actually thought that guy was the best.

I'll admit, Canelo has heck of a lot of skill, but he just doesn't have the stamina or concentration that Floyd did and guys like Spence and Crawford do.

If he had decent Stamina, he probably could have won all the GGG fights more convincingly, in fact, I thought he could have stopped GGG by the sixth or seventh road. GGG was breathing hard because of all the body shots Canelo was landing.

Problem is he doesn't have stamina himself so GGG was able to get a second wind and take over the second half of that fight.

Unfortunately stamina is also part of the game and part part of someone's natural talent. So no excuses for him.

I think another issue with him is that he doesn't have power at the elite level.

He never knocks out or even knocks down elite opponents. He couldn't do it to Lara, to GGG, Mayweather, Jacobs (who is actually chinny and not even elite imo), or even old washed up Cotto. Chavez jr was drained AF and Canelo couldn't put him down.

People are for the most part able to fight their own fight against him without worrying about KO, that's part of the reason, along with his lack of stamina, that he struggles so much in his big fights and is unable to seperate himself.

[Bronx2245]

Bruh why you act like fighting Mayweather is some kind of badge of honor? EVERYONE wanted to fight Money Mayweather, I mean EVERYONE.

Even Andre Ward wanted fo fight Mayweather.

It aint like anyone was ducking Money Mayweather.

Pretty Boy Floyd was being ducked yes, but Money Mayweather? No one was ducking that guy.

Also, why would you even bring that loss up as if it adds to Canelo's prowess or ranking. He lost, very easily, to a 36 year old welterweight who weighed 150lbs on fight night compared to his 165lbs.

That's not something you bring up to support your argument.

Most people think he lost to GGG and Lara too, and when I say most people, I don't just mean fanboys on social media, mainstream media and his peers also thought he lost those fights.

That doesn't exactly support your argument that Canelo is p4p.

The fact of the matter is that Canelo has failed to seperate himself from his opponents almost every time he stepped up or outright lost.

This is why it baffles me that this guy is regarded as p4p number 1.

P4p means, if everyone was the same natural size or weight class, who would beat everyone.

Do people really expect me to believe Canelo would beat Crawford if they were the same size?

Would he beat Spence or Fury if they were the same size?

Heck he won't even fight Charlo ir Andrade in his own weight class, or Benevides.

What makes this guy p4p #1 exactly?

Would he beat Loma? Definitely, I always knew Loma was overated, never understood why people actually thought that guy was the best.

I'll admit, Canelo has heck of a lot of skill, but he just doesn't have the stamina or concentration that Floyd did and guys like Spence and Crawford do.

If he had decent Stamina, he probably could have won all the GGG fights more convincingly, in fact, I thought he could have stopped GGG by the sixth or seventh road. GGG was breathing hard because of all the body shots Canelo was landing.

Problem is he doesn't have stamina himself so GGG was able to get a second wind and take over the second half of that fight.

Unfortunately stamina is also part of the game and part part of someone's natural talent. So no excuses for him.

I think another issue with him is that he doesn't have power at the elite level.

He never knocks out or even knocks down elite opponents. He couldn't do it to Lara, to GGG, Mayweather, Jacobs (who is actually chinny and not even elite imo), or even old washed up Cotto. Chavez jr was drained AF and Canelo couldn't put him down.

People are for the most part able to fight their own fight against him without worrying about KO, that's part of the reason, along with his lack of stamina, that he struggles so much in his big fights and is unable to seperate himself.

Did Crawford ever fight anyone ranked in the Top 10 P4P list? I know Canelo faced at least 2 of them!

[#1PaperChamp]

I believe me and the other poster said danny had a more impressive run through 140, undisputed or not he basically fought everyone.

And at 147 despite the losses at least hes fighting most of the top dogs.

Crawford is fighting his first actual ww and it's a kell brook two new eye sockets later and like 3 years removed from being any semblance of what he used to be

Danny literally lost against Abril, his very next fight after Matthyse, and then went on an even deeper cherry pick against Rod Salka.

Danny beat a fresh Khan, but in hindsight its hard to label that a remarkable win. Danny also beat very shopworn Morales twice. Nonetheless Danny had a good run at 140, no question, but I Bud has beaten everyone he could've fought and ducked nobody. Bud also never had a close fight in his career, not at 135, 140, or 147. Bud hasn't fought the competition Danny has but that's not all his fault. Nobody can force a guy to get in the ring they have to be willing. And it's well-documented Manny and Danny Garcia had real offers to fight Bud and turned it down. Similarly, Spence and Thurman were public about "other side of the street" a couple years ago and wouldn't take the fight for that reason.

Bud's career could wind up being disappointing if he's not able to get a higher level of opponent...he needs to be fighting Thurman, Manny, Spence, etc. He'll probably get one or two of them, but he turns 34 next year. That special window where the fight was hot is long gone. People have moved on to Heavyweight and Lightweight and rightfully so.

Was hilarious watching Spence talk about "building the fight". Neither Spence or Crawford are marketable. You can't build with either of them. Their work in the ring is fine but outside of it they are dull as wood. They thought they were the next Floyd and Manny and that's not how it works...otherwise every "good" fight would build a PPV megastar and there have only ever been a handful of them...Tyson, DLH, Floyd, Manny, etc.

RJJ wasn't even a PPV megastar. Tyson and Floyd had the personality and DLH and Manny had their country support. Spence and Crawford really messed up with their would've been megafight.

Anyhow, both guys will earn plenty of money and that's what boxing is...sport, competition, "prizefighting". This is their job and neither will go hungry so I don't think either will lose sleep anytime soon

[#1PaperChamp]

Most people think he lost to GGG and Lara too, and when I say most people, I don't just mean fanboys on social media, mainstream media and his peers also thought he lost those fights.

All 3 of those fights could very well have been 6-6. People think you need to win a landslide every fight to be "the best". That's not how it works. That's why in past eras many ATG fighters, including GOAT SRR, SRL, Ali, Duran, etc. all had several losses/draws. It happens. It's boxing.

Floyd is not TBE or GOAT. He is probably a Top 20 fighter EVER but he's far from the GOAT. One could argue he lost to JLC and even in Maidana 1. Floyd got favorable judging in those fights and that's fine - that happens in boxing. The "A" side gets the "A" side treatment, but it's ludicrous to pretend that only Canelo gets "A" side benefits...Floyd got those same benefits.

The fact of the matter is that Canelo has failed to seperate himself from his opponents almost every time he stepped up or outright lost.

And Canelo has the single best resume in boxing. You could literally put Canelo's 30 year old resume up against Manny's 41 year old resume and it's close. Consistently fighting the best results in consistent close fights.

Nobody said Canelo is GOAT or TBE. He is a fringe ATG but he fights everyone/anyone. His KO of Kovalev, moving up 2 entire divisions, was very impressive.

I personally had Canelo at #3 behind Loma and Crawford, but I didn't criticize someone for a different ranking. Most people had those three at the top...and rightfully so.

Heck he won't even fight Charlo ir Andrade in his own weight class, or Benevides.

Jermall Charlo literally ducked Canelo once already. Charlo claimed he wasn't being offered enough money. Are you gonna tell me Canelo is ducking Spence too since Spence called him out?

Canelo said Andrade brings nothing to the table...and he's right. Andrade would be a very tough fight for Canelo, but if Canelo fights twice a year (once this year) why would he choose Andrade? There are more deserving opponents...BJS, Plant, GGG 3, Charlo, etc.

Don't know how Canelo "won't even fight" Benavidez when he's only fought at 168 once in his entire career.

I agree with almost all of your critiques on Canelo's ability about his stamina and power. Canelo has a granite chin, but he doesn't have the power some think he has and his stamina limits him significantly.

I disagree with your career assessment of Canelo though. Being ranked #1 PFP has a lot to do with success over weight classes.

Canelo, Loma, and Crawford have been successful over several weight classes - it's very impressive. Loma obviously just lost a close fight so his ranking drops although I still have him toward bottom of the list.

So it's between Canelo and Crawford. Crawford hasn't lost yet and hasn't even been in a close fight in his entire career. However, his resume is putrid compared to Canelo. Does Crawford come out with the same record, PFP, against Canelo's opponents? I don't know.

Canelo is no TBE or GOAT, but he's a very fun fighter with a flashy style. With the exception of the Floyd fight he's competitive in every fight. He's a fringe ATG and with a real championship run at SMW he could be a real ATG.