When Gennady Golovkin is unstoppable in the ring...

[Boxing-1013]

This.

For someone who had 42 fights:

He only has a record of 5-1-1 (4 KOs) against former, current, and future world champions:
Won against Kassim Ouma, Daniel Geale, David Lemieux, Kell Brook, and Daniel Jacobs.
Drew against Saul Alvarez.
Lost against Saul Alvarez.

Really pathetic record. He only won against 5 current/former champions???

Errol Spence did that with only 26 fights. GGG really only padded up his "monster record" by fighting bums.

I don't even understand why he's in the current p4p list. Rolls was never a champion. Derevyachenko was never a champion, and he almost lost that one.

Being a 'former champion' can be important, or completely irrelevant. Most everyone GGG faced was in their prime, and at their best weight. That is important to factor in. Touting the 'former champion' stuff is supposed to draw in and fool the casuals bro, we are supposed to be better than that as 'hardcore' fans of the sport.

Fighting a guy at 147 who was really good at 140, but only ever average there at 147, and is now sort of shot, to use a general example (think Algieri, Peterson or Mikey even in a similar way) - is not a better win that beating a prime contender at their best weight. Someone like Ugas at 147 for example.

Same goes for GGG. If they pulled up some shot past great guys, or small guys, who formerly held some title, he would have smoked pretty much all of them too.

He was the man at 160 for a good while, dominating in an average/weak era. Interesting that you go so hard on him btw, when most everyone saw him beat Canelo once and many people (myself included) don't see how anyone can score those any other way than 2-0 GGG.

So whatever Canelo is, if he is pfp 1, GGG seems better in many ways than Nelo. At least keep it consistent.

[just the facts]

If I'm such a racist who scores everything along party lines, why would I have scored Wilder-Fury 1 a draw?

And if I had an anti-Charlo agenda, wouldn't I bandwagon with people who say he lost to Korobov? That is a mainstream POV, but when I watched the fight, I saw Charlo win 7-5, or maybe it was a draw. I just didn't see the same narrative as many others when he fought Derevy - that was a very tough, close fight.

I know what those look like - you know what they look like when you've been watching boxing for a little bit, or just watching fights for a little bit. It's easy to tell what is a tough, close fight, and what is just a competitive fight with a clear winner. Could be two guys fighting on the street, or two guys in a ring/cage.

Prepare yourself for this, just the facts - here is what I do - I actually watch fights and score them according to who the better man is, in my eyes. Most fights are really not that hard to score if you do it that way. I then evaluate fighters overall based on what I see from them in the ring.

Pretty crazy stuff, huh?

And sometimes you score fights before you watch them......

[sunny31]

Was a clear 8-4 win, both times. It is what it is.



I'm not citing compubox numbers there, though they more or less get it right in those fights. I'm citing my numbers. As I asked in another thread, I have yet to have anyone point out, in either Canelo-GGG fight, one clear round for Canelo - a clear round being a round where you outland your opponent by 2,3+ punches, and also land the best shot or shots of the round. Jacobs had a couple clear enough rounds but GGG had 5-6 in that fight himself.

Fair to say GGG 'didn't live up to expectations' in any of those fights. But to say they were 'either way' type of fights, I mean they weren't. The numbers back that up, the rounds individually back that up. It is what it is.

You can still hate on GGG if you want to, there is stuff there to critique. But saying he didn't win those fights clean, I mean there just aren't 5+ rounds for any of those guys in those fights. Derevy fight was different for sure.

Those were all either way fights. Canelo 1 is the only I would argue maybe wasnt. I had the knockdown making the difference against Jacob's. They were either way fights though.

You dont have to win rounds clearly to win them fyi.

The majority of the quality punches in the Canelo fights were landed by Canelo, if you're scoring for GGG then you put work rate, volume, and in the first fight...ring generslship ahead of clean punching.

Fact is when he faces elite fighters, he isnt a killer, he is with them, but not necessarily excelling. He isnt unstoppable at that level. He is elite, but beatable.

[IronDanHamza]

Was a clear 8-4 win, both times. It is what it is.



I'm not citing compubox numbers there, though they more or less get it right in those fights. I'm citing my numbers. As I asked in another thread, I have yet to have anyone point out, in either Canelo-GGG fight, one clear round for Canelo - a clear round being a round where you outland your opponent by 2,3+ punches, and also land the best shot or shots of the round. Jacobs had a couple clear enough rounds but GGG had 5-6 in that fight himself.

Fair to say GGG 'didn't live up to expectations' in any of those fights. But to say they were 'either way' type of fights, I mean they weren't. The numbers back that up, the rounds individually back that up. It is what it is.

You can still hate on GGG if you want to, there is stuff there to critique. But saying he didn't win those fights clean, I mean there just aren't 5+ rounds for any of those guys in those fights. Derevy fight was different for sure.

But there is though

Maybe not in your mind but I’m assuming you’re seeing what you want to see.

I’ve no horse in the race, I scored Canelo 2 for GGG as a Canelo fan.

Fact is, they’re either way fights.

[Boxing-1013]

And sometimes you score fights before you watch them......

Bro it's funny, but that has been debunked lol

[Boxing-1013]

Those were all either way fights. Canelo 1 is the only I would argue maybe wasnt. I had the knockdown making the difference against Jacob's. They were either way fights though.

You dont have to win rounds clearly to win them fyi.

The majority of the quality punches in the Canelo fights were landed by Canelo, if you're scoring for GGG then you put work rate, volume, and in the first fight...ring generslship ahead of clean punching.

Fact is when he faces elite fighters, he isnt a killer, he is with them, but not necessarily excelling. He isnt unstoppable at that level. He is elite, but beatable.

I mean if he was KOing Canelo (Jacobs is a bit different as he has been perceived to be chinny, though to be fair to him, he hasn't at all been lately) and destroying those guys, then it would be very rare. Canelo is a top pfp fighter on virtually anyone's list. Destroying a guy like that, I mean it rarely happens in boxing.

Like I said, if the roles were reversed, I think many of y'all would say GGG lost 10-2 in those fights lol...I think that says it all.

But there is though

Maybe not in your mind but I’m assuming you’re seeing what you want to see.

I’ve no horse in the race, I scored Canelo 2 for GGG as a Canelo fan.

Fact is, they’re either way fights.

That's not a fact though lol...all I can say, is if those fights were reversed, I would have scored them 8-4 against GGG...his activity just gave him both fights vs Canelo...Jacobs was a bit more competitive round by round, but GGG still had about 5 rounds he won clean, plus a KD.

I feel like if the roles were reversed...many many people on here who say they were close, would say GGG got beaten clearly...think that says it all

[IronDanHamza]

I mean if he was KOing Canelo (Jacobs is a bit different as he has been perceived to be chinny, though to be fair to him, he hasn't at all been lately) and destroying those guys, then it would be very rare. Canelo is a top pfp fighter on virtually anyone's list. Destroying a guy like that, I mean it rarely happens in boxing.

Like I said, if the roles were reversed, I think many of y'all would say GGG lost 10-2 in those fights lol...I think that says it all.



That's not a fact though lol...all I can say, is if those fights were reversed, I would have scored them 8-4 against GGG...his activity just gave him both fights vs Canelo...Jacobs was a bit more competitive round by round, but GGG still had about 5 rounds he won clean, plus a KD.

I feel like if the roles were reversed...many many people on here who say they were close, would say GGG got beaten clearly...think that says it all

It doesn’t say it all because it’s baseless.

It doesn’t matter anyway because he got the decision against Jacobs and Derevenchko, which was fair.

But didn’t get it with Canelo, also fair.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The best part is the thread title doe!

[Boxing-1013]

It doesn’t say it all because it’s baseless.

It doesn’t matter anyway because he got the decision against Jacobs and Derevenchko, which was fair.

But didn’t get it with Canelo, also fair.

Hey you are entitled to your opinion. I think there was only 1 winner in three of those fights. Only either way one was Dervy-GGG

[AKAcronym]

It's pretty normal for top guys not to be destroying each other. But I will say that the Golovkin in his early thirties is a vastly more formidable opponent than the one at 35+ years old.