Floyd refuses Manny rematch: "Coward". Teo refuses Loma rematch: "No point". Legit

[Combat Talk Radio]

What? Teo’s Dad said they were open to a rematch if THEY made it worth it. I DONT see Loma Improving. I do see Teo improving in a rematch. Why not make some EASY MONEY?

Nobody on NSB saw Joshua improving for the Ruiz rematch.

What happened is, Joshua had the wrong gameplan for the first fight. Second fight he had the right strategy.

BUT...with that fight, everyone says "well but Ruiz didn't train/came in fat!" - sure, but it wouldn't have mattered against the gameplan Joshua used.

That's why gameplan matters so damn much. Loma's gameplan was faulty and it cost him. In a rematch, they do a different gameplan, and Lopez MIGHT pull a Duran and come into the fight less focused. We know that could happen.

Which is why so many don't want a rematch. They don't want Lomachenko to have the opportunity to redeem himself; but every fighter that loses a CLOSE fight should get a chance to redeem themselves.

Floyd. Bradley. Marquez. Those were not close outcomes, they were decisive. They didn't warrant rematches.

This does, from my eyes.

[IronDanHamza]

Never - you got the wrong one brother.

My card hasn't changed. I had it a draw. 1-6 Lopez, 7-12 Loma, with 2 and 7 being swing rounds.

Would be okay with 7-5 Lopez.

Would be okay with 7-5 Loma.

Would accept 8-4 Lopez.

Anything other than those four outcomes is straight bias for Lopez.

It was a CLOSE fight because Loma didn't show up until Round 7. By that point he was fighting from behind.

But like I keep telling you people, you score fights ROUND BY ROUND. That's not what you're doing. Your mind is so focused on Loma doing jack ish for 6 rounds that you settled on a Lopez win. It doesn't work that way, or shouldn't.

Regardless...TEOFIMO said no rematch. I don't give a damn what his dad said.

By that logic, Crawford ducked Porter because Kenny said they got a contract ready to go.

I'm really tired of hypocrites on NSB. Seriously.

So Round 12 isn’t even a swing round to you now it’s a clear Lomachenko round?

[Combat Talk Radio]

So Round 12 isn’t even a swing round to you now it’s a clear Lomachenko round?

I saw no swing round myself, no.

Unlike many of you, I don't give guys full credit for 20 seconds of good work while whiffing for 2 minutes.

However, like I said, I'd accept a MAX 8-4 Lopez - which based on what I saw, could only be rounds 2, 7 and 12 all to Lopez.

[IronDanHamza]

I saw no swing round myself, no.

Unlike many of you, I don't give guys full credit for 20 seconds of good work while whiffing for 2 minutes.

However, like I said, I'd accept a MAX 8-4 Lopez - which based on what I saw, could only be rounds 2, 7 and 12 all to Lopez.

So you actually believe that Round 12, easily the clearest Lopez round in the fight was actually a clear Lomachenko round?

Wow

How did you score Ritson-Vasquez? 12-0 Ritson?

[Combat Talk Radio]

So you actually believe that Round 12, easily the clearest Lopez round in the fight was actually a clear Lomachenko round?

Wow

How did you score Ritson-Vasquez? 12-0 Ritson?

This is the problem with you and others. You ONLY care about power shots at rapid throw.

Anyone who says the bold, didn't watch the fight unbiased.

Because it is obvious that Round 1 was EASILY Lopez's best round. Not because of anything specific Lopez did, it was a variety of things.

• Loma threw NOTHING. I watched. He threw NOTHING all round. He was Adrien Broner.
• Lopez clearly had Loma looking for openings, but you could see in both guys' eyes that there was no opening to be had. That set the tone for the rest of the fight.
• Lopez' body work was at its best in this round.
• Lopez never once took his eye off of Lomachenko. He was laser focused - a focus that he temporarily dropped in Round 2 but re-established in Round 3.

In short: Lopez did to Loma in Round 1 what Floyd did to Manny in Round 1 - land shots early, make the other guy tentative.

Your problem is, you like fast action. I like chess matches. Round 1 was a perfect chess match and to me, the one round that showed Lopez was actually taking this serious.

Round 12? Two guys who BOTH thought it was close and decided to throw for the fences, Loma's defense was on clear display, Lopez's wasn't. He was sloppy. The headbutt was a symptom of that sloppiness. He landed two good body shots; ultimately, Loma's defense in that round is what he wanted he wanted to do in every other round but couldn't, because Lopez never took the bait.

THAT is what happened. And that's why Round 12 was nothing special - Round 1 was a showcase. Even in other Loma fights he's never been completely deer in the headlights in round 1, he's always done something. Here? THAT was him shutdown.

[KingKrypton]

If Loma comes out more aggressive in a rematch he will get knocked out. Lopez nearly had him out of there in the 12th after exerting all his energy over 12 rounds, the ref saved him.

[Combat Talk Radio]

If Loma comes out more aggressive in a rematch he will get knocked out. Lopez nearly had him out of there in the 12th after exerting all his energy over 12 rounds, the ref saved him.

I disagree.

If Lomachenko comes out aggressive it'll be the perfect opposite of what Lopez expects.

The rounds Loma won - and he DID win rounds, no matter what NSB says - were rounds he came forward, took risks, defended the body. Because Lopez could barely hit that man upstairs. He did, when Loma stopped being defensive.

We also have ask ourselves: Lopez landed the straight right through the guard right to the upper body multiple times, yet Loma never went down. The exact same shot that Linares landed that dropped him. How is that possible? Because Loma expected Lopez's, he didn't expect Linares to double up.

That means that Loma knew when he was going to get hit. He just didn't know what do about it.

[IronDanHamza]

This is the problem with you and others. You ONLY care about power shots at rapid throw.

Anyone who says the bold, didn't watch the fight unbiased.

Because it is obvious that Round 1 was EASILY Lopez's best round. Not because of anything specific Lopez did, it was a variety of things.

• Loma threw NOTHING. I watched. He threw NOTHING all round. He was Adrien Broner.
• Lopez clearly had Loma looking for openings, but you could see in both guys' eyes that there was no opening to be had. That set the tone for the rest of the fight.
• Lopez' body work was at its best in this round.
• Lopez never once took his eye off of Lomachenko. He was laser focused - a focus that he temporarily dropped in Round 2 but re-established in Round 3.

In short: Lopez did to Loma in Round 1 what Floyd did to Manny in Round 1 - land shots early, make the other guy tentative.

Your problem is, you like fast action. I like chess matches. Round 1 was a perfect chess match and to me, the one round that showed Lopez was actually taking this serious.

Round 12? Two guys who BOTH thought it was close and decided to throw for the fences, Loma's defense was on clear display, Lopez's wasn't. He was sloppy. The headbutt was a symptom of that sloppiness. He landed two good body shots; ultimately, Loma's defense in that round is what he wanted he wanted to do in every other round but couldn't, because Lopez never took the bait.

THAT is what happened. And that's why Round 12 was nothing special - Round 1 was a showcase. Even in other Loma fights he's never been completely deer in the headlights in round 1, he's always done something. Here? THAT was him shutdown.

Lopez won Round 1 because Lomachenko threw 4 punches.

He won round 12 because he outlanded him by a wide margin and beat him clearly in every scoring criteria.

Both clear Lopez rounds.

[MONGOOSE66]

Nobody on NSB saw Joshua improving for the Ruiz rematch.

What happened is, Joshua had the wrong gameplan for the first fight. Second fight he had the right strategy.

BUT...with that fight, everyone says "well but Ruiz didn't train/came in fat!" - sure, but it wouldn't have mattered against the gameplan Joshua used.

That's why gameplan matters so damn much. Loma's gameplan was faulty and it cost him. In a rematch, they do a different gameplan, and Lopez MIGHT pull a Duran and come into the fight less focused. We know that could happen.

Which is why so many don't want a rematch. They don't want Lomachenko to have the opportunity to redeem himself; but every fighter that loses a CLOSE fight should get a chance to redeem themselves.

Floyd. Bradley. Marquez. Those were not close outcomes, they were decisive. They didn't warrant rematches.

This does, from my eyes.

Loma lost cause he got out hustled, outsped & out pointed. Its a young mans game.

[TheBoxGod]

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now you got to prove its the same mix of people who said coward from Floyd and no point in Teo.... if you cant do that, you have no arguments, you're just assuming.