If Lomachenko becomes undisputed at LW.

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Was Terenence Crawford top 20 ever after he unified 140?

[The Big Dunn]

The guy he beat was terrible though. That Zaur Abdullaev couldn’t win a European title never mind be in a interim World title fight.

They’ve exploited the ranking system successfully, but Haney still needs to be tested before fighting an elite talent like Loma. Gamboa is a start, but I’d still like to see him fight Luke Campbell, Jorge Linares or somebody proven like that.

I am fine with your opinion. It just isn’t fair that Haney should have to fight someone “proven”
To get a shot at Loma when he did what was necessary all ready.

I also understand that fighting a better quality opponent might better prepare him for Loma.

However, that isn’t how things work. If that was the case, one could argue Loma shouldn’t have been allowed to fight Salido in his 2nd fight despite earning the #1 ranking.

Haney did what the sanctioning body required to earn the mandatory spot. That has always been the standard.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I am fine with your opinion. It just isn’t fair that Haney should have to fight someone “proven”
To get a shot at Loma when he did what was necessary all ready.

I also understand that fighting a better quality opponent might better prepare him for Loma.

However, that isn’t how things work. If that was the case, one could argue Loma shouldn’t have been allowed to fight Salido in his 2nd fight despite earning the #1 ranking.

Haney did what the sanctioning body required to earn the mandatory spot. That has always been the standard.

I suppose it just exposes how inaccurate the ranking system is. I rate Haney and I think he has big potential but I’ve never seen a “world champion” with such a thin resume. Has he even beaten a top 20 lightweight yet?

I just couldn’t invest in a Loma-Haney matchup until Haney has proven he can mix it at the top level.

[boliodogs]

Let's say Lomachenko beats Lopez, then beats Haney to win all the belts at lightweight. Where would you rank him all time?

• Tied for fewest number of fights to win a world title
  
• Holds the record for fewest number of fights to win a world title in 2 and 3 weight classes
  
• Wins all the belts at LW
• All in less than 20 fights

Would he rank in the top 20 all time?

He already becomes absolutely completely 100% undisputed lightweight champ if he beats Lopez. Haney is just a jr champ like Fieldng and they don't count and have nothing to do with being undisputed champion. only Haney and a few diehard Haney fans think otherwise. Who the hell keeps a list of the 20 best boxers in history??? I know I don't have a top 20 best in history list all written down in neat order from 1 to 20. i bet nobody reading this thread including you have a written 20 best of all time. Loma might rate near the top 20 best if he keeps winning bu i don't know. Who on here is knows about all the great fighters in history and is even qualified to make a well thught out tpp 20 best ever list? Not me and again probably nobody reading your thread

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I am fine with your opinion. It just isn’t fair that Haney should have to fight someone “proven”
To get a shot at Loma when he did what was necessary all ready.

I also understand that fighting a better quality opponent might better prepare him for Loma.

However, that isn’t how things work. If that was the case, one could argue Loma shouldn’t have been allowed to fight Salido in his 2nd fight despite earning the #1 ranking.

Haney did what the sanctioning body required to earn the mandatory spot. That has always been the standard.

he doenst have to. all he has to do is make an offer. pretty easy. loma said the same thing "i want the commey-lopez winner unless i get a big offer" ok haney wasnt ready at that time to make an offer but we understand dazn wanted to hype haney up as one of their stars so we can forgive that. now that he has a couple easy fights under his belt they will probably make that offer and expose loma if loma doesnt take it. in the long run it works out better for everyone and the fight is bigger. it would be nice if haney fought someone in the top 10 before hte loma fight but like you said loma didnt to fight salido so haney doesnt have to either. loma also lost that fight so maybe that shows you he should have fought someone good first

[Ca$ual Fan]

No. He will be 15-1 if he wins. There are boxers that have had many more title defenses than he has had pro fights and also unified a division.

I think you also need to be clear about his “records”. Not only did he have 6 quasi pro fights that didn’t count, he started as a pro after a long amateur career.

There are boxers that have held multiple world titles in multiple divisions before they were 25, the age Loma was when he won the title the 1st time.

It’s just very hard for a pro with so few fights, one of which he lost, to be considered a top 20 ATG.

Fighters who started early in their career had 60-70% bums in their resume before fighting real competition making them produce plenty of fights in their records. Do those really count to gain high ratings for ATG perspective?

Loma started fighting top level and world class fighters when he started his career, the same way most legends started fighting top level opponents during their 30th-40th fights.

I think it’s fair to say their careers should be rated based on those times they started fighting top oppositions. Padded records shouldn’t even count when rating career accomplishments

[The Big Dunn]

I suppose it just exposes how inaccurate the ranking system is. I rate Haney and I think he has big potential but I’ve never seen a “world champion” with such a thin resume. Has he even beaten a top 20 lightweight yet?

I just couldn’t invest in a Loma-Haney matchup until Haney has proven he can mix it at the top level.

Haney was given the belt when Loma dropped it and took the emeritus title rather than make the mandatory against Haney.

How can you possibly hold that against Haney?

Yes, he beat the #2 ranked boxer.

Why can’t he prove he can mix it up at the top level when he faces Loma in the mandatory defense?

[The Big Dunn]

he doenst have to. all he has to do is make an offer. pretty easy. loma said the same thing "i want the commey-lopez winner unless i get a big offer" ok haney wasnt ready at that time to make an offer but we understand dazn wanted to hype haney up as one of their stars so we can forgive that. now that he has a couple easy fights under his belt they will probably make that offer and expose loma if loma doesnt take it. in the long run it works out better for everyone and the fight is bigger. it would be nice if haney fought someone in the top 10 before hte loma fight but like you said loma didnt to fight salido so haney doesnt have to either. loma also lost that fight so maybe that shows you he should have fought someone good first

Why does Haney have to make an offer for a mandatory? There are already percentage splits per sanctioning rules.

Bottom line is the rules can’t change just because Haney is a high risk, low reward fight for Loma.

Loma got his shot without fighting a top guy. He won an eliminator set up by his promoter. Haney did same.

[The Big Dunn]

Fighters who started early in their career had 60-70% bums in their resume before fighting real competition making them produce plenty of fights in their records. Do those really count to gain high ratings for ATG perspective?

Loma started fighting top level and world class fighters when he started his career, the same way most legends started fighting top level opponents during their 30th-40th fights.

I think it’s fair to say their careers should be rated based on those times they started fighting top oppositions. Padded records shouldn’t even count when rating career accomplishments

Not particularly. But Most ATG boxers have as many title fights as Loma has pro fights. It simply doesn’t hold water that Loma is an ATG with 15 pro fights when compared to others. Loma hasn’t even deflated a hofer yet.

Yes but those men also started their career at a younger age. That is why they have fought top tier opponents and won titles well before the age of 25 when Loma started.

Fair point but when guys like joe Louis have 27 straight title defenses and guys like Chavez sr and Floyd have 25 plus title fights, with wins over legitimate 1st ballot hof’ers, you simply can’t put Loma In their class just yet, let alone rank himself one of the top 20 ever.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Haney was given the belt when Loma dropped it and took the emeritus title rather than make the mandatory against Haney.

How can you possibly hold that against Haney?

Yes, he beat the #2 ranked boxer.

Why can’t he prove he can mix it up at the top level when he faces Loma in the mandatory defense?

I’m not holding anything against him but he’s nowhere near the level of Loma.

Loma literally fought better opposition in his debut.

Let Haney go beat Campbell, Linares etc and prove he’s elite.

Then we’ll get two proven elite fighters mixing it instead of an elite fighter essentially fighting a talented prospect who was gifted a belt.