Comments Thread For: Arum: No Legal Recourse For Wilder, Team If Third Fury Fight Doesn't Happen

[kafkod]

The fight this past February had both men guaranteed a minimum amount- 28 million- plus a percentage of ppv.

No reason to think the third fight was just percentage.

Again, the promoters pushed the dates back, not either fighter. And the reason given was that they wanted a live gate to help pay the fighters...in other words, a live gate to offset the cost of the purses they, the promoters, promised contractually.

So, do you see the problem now with those same promoters who delayed now saying the contract expired?

But the contract has expired, and if Wilder wanted the fight he should have spoken to his own team and demanded that they enforce it.

He had a legal right to do that.

I remember Wilder being all over the media and internet sounding off about how he was own boss, he calls the shots, he's not a slave to his promoter like AJ .. blah blah.

Bottom line is, as the losing fighter, it was Wilder who had the rematch clause and it was his responsibility to enforce it.

There are only 2 alternatives here ... either Wilder didn't want the fight or he's a puppet being controlled by his management team.

[Blackstarr]

The fight this past February had both men guaranteed a minimum amount- 28 million- plus a percentage of ppv.

No reason to think the third fight was just percentage.

Again, the promoters pushed the dates back, not either fighter. And the reason given was that they wanted a live gate to help pay the fighters...in other words, a live gate to offset the cost of the purses they, the promoters, promised contractually.

So, do you see the problem now with those same promoters who delayed now saying the contract expired?

And what problem would that be, and why are you foolishly implying from your last statement that Fury’s promoter was the sole reason behind the delays?

Shelly Finkle and Al were fully on-board with the fight being continually delayed and even requested them, due to the fight not being financially viable and Wilder recovering from an injury.

If they can’t pay the fighters their contracted amounts, and that the timeframe for doing so has apparently expired, then what’s the issue? Or are you saying you don’t believe the contract has expired?

In my opinion, let Wilder learn how to box, get a couple of wins under his belt and then he can have another crack at whoever’s top of the throne at the time.

[kafkod]

Actually Hearn sweetened the pot and Ruiz changed his mind. Which in hindsight may have been a ploy to get more money anyway.

And it was pure coincidence that he changed his mind within 48 hours of being hit with a legal suit by Matchroom after stalling them for months?

Yeah, right!

Either way, you're explaining exactly why Bob's public statement is useless. Should PBC take them to court, they would likely lose as Bob has stated on multiple occasions that the fight was delayed past the contractual date due to the money he as a promoter and the networks would lose on the fight.

PBC had a legal right to enforce the rematch within the contracted time frame, so Bob couldn't have delayed it without collusion and agreement from them.

It was PBC's responsibility to get Wilder his rematch, not Bob's. They can't sue Top Rank for not doing their job for them.

[kafkod]

Guarantees were $4 million Wilder and $3 million to Fury. The 3rd rematch had no such guarantees beyond the mention of a 60/40% split. At the time, Shelly Finkle and Al Haymon were certain that Wilder would win the rematch and insisted that a possible 3rd fight would need to conclude by July 2020.

Because of the virus Shelly Finkle requested the fight be postponed to December 5th 2020 to which all parties agreed. Unfortunately no one had checked with the network because Fox rejected the idea claiming that they did not want to compete with collage games that week. Shelly Finkle is now trying to move the fight date for a 3rd time to January or February of 2021.

Keep in mind, the original due date set by Shelly Finkle and Al Haymon was missed. The second date was also missed and the attempt underway to reschedule is far beyond the agreed upon terms of the original contract and very likely unenforceable.

Tyson Fury has no obligation to fight Wilder 6 months after the original expiration date, a date set by both Shelly Finkle and Al Haymon.

Facts are nice!

[LegendHadIt85]

He’d probably be in court with Canelo trying to collect his money via lawsuit. How much has Canelo collected? Didn’t they try to go from paying his 40 million a fight to 15 million due to the pandemic?? Yikes.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I told you all in my thread.

Arum is no fool and knows what he's doing.

Arum and ESPN aren't happy with Fury's decision.

[Ake-Dawg]

And it was pure coincidence that he changed his mind within 48 hours of being hit with a legal suit by Matchroom after stalling them for months?

Yeah, right!



PBC had a legal right to enforce the rematch within the contracted time frame, so Bob couldn't have delayed it without collusion and agreement from them.

It was PBC's responsibility to get Wilder his rematch, not Bob's. They can't sue Top Rank for not doing their job for them.

So either you believe PBC lawyers are so bad that they would cost Fox, PBC, and Wilder millions of dollars with such an oversight.

OR

As you alluded to, there was collusion meaning...step aside money.

[kafkod]

The 14 and 10 million was what they got in the first fight.

The rematch clause for the trilogy did indeed guarantee a 60-40 split, but there were minimum guarantees involved just like the first and second fight.

Think about it, the first thing you ask negotiating the clause is "60% of what?"

I agree with you that Wilder or his team should respond aggressively to these developments.

But, I will say that Haymon rarely gets out maneuvered legally and has already kicked Arum's ass in court several times.

I don't think this will be much different.

That wasn't over fight contracts though. Bob probably understands that aspect of boxing better than anybody in the game.

When Haymon tried messing Eddie Hearn around over the AJ/Ruiz rematch clause, he got his own ass kicked into line by Matchroom lawyers.

Nobody is getting sued over this business, unless Wilder hires a lawyer himself and sues Haymon/Finkel for not looking after his interests like they're supposed to.

[kafkod]

So either you believe PBC lawyers are so bad that they would cost Fox, PBC, and Wilder millions of dollars with such an oversight.

OR

As you alluded to, there was collusion meaning...step aside money.

I believe Wilder's team colluded with Bob because they don't like losing money any more than he does!

[kafkod]

Wilder's plan is to get pushed aside and then claim that he was ducked.

It wouldn't be the first time he followed that plan.