What makes Loma vs Lopez a special fight

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  • KingHippo
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    #21
    Originally posted by b morph
    Case in point, I see Wilder as being pretty athletic. It carried him in the sport to a certain extent, but it has been shown that it only helps him box to a certain level. Athleticism doesn’t equate to being a great boxer.
    Wilder managed to medal with premature experience and went 41 fights undefeated before losing to possibly the best heavy weight of this era. He's actually proving your point wrong.

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    • b Murphington
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      #22
      Originally posted by KingHippo
      Wilder managed to medal with premature experience and went 41 fights undefeated before losing to possibly the best heavy weight of this era. He's actually proving your point wrong.
      No. I said to a certain level. Fury is elite level. Wilder has never faced someone of that caliber at the professional level before and he couldn’t beat him because his athletic ability can only do so much for him.

      His best attribute is his explosive power, but a well trained boxer can negate that. At the elite professional level, Wilder will almost always box down on the scorecards and need a KO to win, or numerous KD’s to eek out a decision. He could still get it because he will always be dangerous, much like we saw in the first bout with Fury, but like I said, the power can only do so much for him.

      It’s actually remarkable that Wilder has made it this far and it is a true testament to his explosive athleticism.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Songbird
        naz could barely do a front flip holding on to the ropes
        What about this song.... Naseem was barely flyweight size and the ropes were nearly as high as he was tall. He, or anyone, not a trained circus acrobat, needed to grasp the top ropes to pivot himself over

        A mark of his real athleticism was the fact that, although he made a complete extension of his body, he still landed on his feet, plumb, without a stagger or extra step for balance........ The way a gymnast does.

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          #24
          Originally posted by b morph
          It’s actually remarkable that Wilder has made it this far and it is a true testament to his explosive athleticism.
          So you said all this just to agree with my original statement?

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            #25
            Originally posted by KingHippo
            So you said all this just to agree with my original statement?
            No I said all of that to defend my original statement.

            Wilder is a 1 trick pony. He knows it and I know it and you know it. He lives and dies by his explosive power. It’s the only card he really has. Yes, he has been success with it in the amateurs and in the professional ranks fighting mostly subpar opponents, which is still impressive for a guy with limited experience and skill.

            All of that said however, he couldn’t beat Fury. Most people, myself included, felt that Wilder got a gift decision with the draw in the first fight. Fury is really the only good professional that Wilder has fought. That’s why I stated, it has been shown that it only helps him box to a certain level. I still stand by that statement.

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              #26
              I was watching this ESPN special on the fight, and I think I know what Teo’s primary game plan is for this fight. Lopez Sr. pointed out the fact that Loma has a busy jab, but it’s a light jab. I also saw Lopez working hard on that right hand. I think they want to pull-counter Loma. They will move to the opposite side of the shoulder and counter Loma’s jab with a right hand.

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              • KingHippo
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                #27
                Originally posted by b morph
                No I said all of that to defend my original statement.

                Wilder is a 1 trick pony. He knows it and I know it and you know it. He lives and dies by his explosive power. It’s the only card he really has. Yes, he has been success with it in the amateurs and in the professional ranks fighting mostly subpar opponents, which is still impressive for a guy with limited experience and skill.

                All of that said however, he couldn’t beat Fury. Most people, myself included, felt that Wilder got a gift decision with the draw in the first fight. Fury is really the only good professional that Wilder has fought. That’s why I stated, it has been shown that it only helps him box to a certain level. I still stand by that statement.
                And besides all that which I didn't read since you clearly don't respect Wilder, but he reached an olympic podium with little experience and won a championship belt that he successfully defended 10 times. This OJECTIVELY makes him an elite fighter. All from athleticism.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by boliodogs
                  I didn't make the odds and maybe they should be closer. Lopez looked scary good in his last fight. I am a Loma fan and don't like Lopez because of his arrogance and the disrespect he shows others. i hope he loses but I will be worried that he wins until the fight is over. If he KOs Loma the father and son bragging will go through the roof.bragging is not against the law and lots of fighters brag to excess. Nothing I can do about it but I prefer the boxers who do their fighting in the ring and not outside the ring with their mouth.
                  there are different types of personalities....the world would be boring if everyone were the same and there was no one to question or challenge us.....i appreciate both of the personalities in this fight....but they are definitley contrasting...what i do believe is that no matter what is said both men respect the others ability

                  i believe lopez truly respects loma...its that lopez wants to take his career to the next level and knows if he can drum up interest and win this fight hes on the right track....i believe thats why hes taking it in the first place when most probably wouldnt.....he knows any other route is slower...beating loma is his ticket to becoming a ppv fighter in the future....trash talking/being the villian helps sell in this sport...i dont think teo is half as bad as he comes across to some

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by KingHippo
                    And besides all that which I didn't read since you clearly don't respect Wilder, but he reached an olympic podium with little experience and won a championship belt that he successfully defended 10 times. This OJECTIVELY makes him an elite fighter. All from athleticism.
                    Sorry for this late response I have not been online in awhile. What makes you think I don’t respect Wilder? And why would you reply to me and not even read my post? That just shows me you don’t respect my opinion or you aren’t open minded to opposing viewpoints or aren’t open to a discussion.

                    I respect Wilder for what he is. I’m just realistic and see him for what he is. He’s a good, althletic puncher. In fact, he’s a great puncher. But I wouldn’t say that makes him elite. I give him massive props for doing what he has done, but I’m objective and unbiased. I realize that he has flaws that could prevent him from competing against top boxers. Like Fury. In fact, outside of Fury, who else has he fought? Who did he fight during his championship run? I’ll give him props for what he did agains Ortiz who is a solid boxer himself. So in his entire career, the only real solid competition he has faced, was Ortiz and Fury.

                    That’s the most I can say about it.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Curt Henning
                      there are different types of personalities....the world would be boring if everyone were the same and there was no one to question or challenge us.....i appreciate both of the personalities in this fight....but they are definitley contrasting...what i do believe is that no matter what is said both men respect the others ability

                      i believe lopez truly respects loma...its that lopez wants to take his career to the next level and knows if he can drum up interest and win this fight hes on the right track....i believe thats why hes taking it in the first place when most probably wouldnt.....he knows any other route is slower...beating loma is his ticket to becoming a ppv fighter in the future....trash talking/being the villian helps sell in this sport...i dont think teo is half as bad as he comes across to some
                      Lopez despises Loma. That's not for hype either.

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