Does Jermell Charlo REPLACE Errol Spence on P4P list?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Touché but remember this is my opinion and that argument is like saying Iran Barkley is superior p4p over Tommy Hearns because he beat him twice?

Not at all.

Listen, you are entitled to your opinion. But we need to be clear with the facts of the matter.

The problem with that analogy is that Barkley didn't beat the best version of Hearns.

Remember, Hearns for some ****** reason fought at light middle, then middle while still campaigning at light middle, then light heavy (in the process damn near getting taken the full distance by a British journeyman) while still campaigning at middle, then super middle.

All that up and down weight gain and drain is damaging to the body. That was the period that effectively ruined Hearns. He would never be the same fighter and lost significant durability. Actually, he fought at middleweight the exact same way that Crawford fights now - chin up in the air, takes punches, and just tries to put on a show. And like Crawford, Hearns got wobbled almost every fight against someone above the C-level.

Iran swooped in and stopped a version of Hearns that was nowhere near at peak. I don't hate on him for the opportunistic timing. The only reason people were shocked is that Iran was prospect-level at that time; no notable win whatsoever outside of MAYBE Robbie Sims and the one time he did step up before Hearns, he got blown out as expected (Kalambay), thus the odds expected Hearns to make short work of this guy.

But Hearns was affected by significant weight fluctuation and had less punch resistance as a result. Same thing that affected Roy Jones when he did it.


Srisaket beat the BEST version of Chocolatito twice, on Choco's terms as A-Side. He beat the guy that Floyd Mayweather once referred to as #1 P4P. And he did with ease both times.

I know there are some people that somehow think Choco won the first fight but once again - if you get DROPPED in a close fight, you cannot win it, otherwise we need to say that Keef beat Manny.

It's just that people are disregarding Srisaket's performance because of the accidental headbutts. Choco got walked down like I've never seen him or anyone else get walked down besides McGregor.

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Listen, you are entitled to your opinion. But we need to be clear with the facts of the matter.

The problem with that analogy is that Barkley didn't beat the best version of Hearns.

Remember, Hearns for some ****** reason fought at light middle, then middle while still campaigning at light middle, then light heavy (in the process damn near getting taken the full distance by a British journeyman) while still campaigning at middle, then super middle.

All that up and down weight gain and drain is damaging to the body. That was the period that effectively ruined Hearns. He would never be the same fighter and lost significant durability. Actually, he fought at middleweight the exact same way that Crawford fights now - chin up in the air, takes punches, and just tries to put on a show. And like Crawford, Hearns got wobbled almost every fight against someone above the C-level.

Iran swooped in and stopped a version of Hearns that was nowhere near at peak. I don't hate on him for the opportunistic timing. The only reason people were shocked is that Iran was prospect-level at that time; no notable win whatsoever outside of MAYBE Robbie Sims and the one time he did step up before Hearns, he got blown out as expected (Kalambay), thus the odds expected Hearns to make short work of this guy.

But Hearns was affected by significant weight fluctuation and had less punch resistance as a result. Same thing that affected Roy Jones when he did it.


Srisaket beat the BEST version of Chocolatito twice, on Choco's terms as A-Side. He beat the guy that Floyd Mayweather once referred to as #1 P4P. And he did with ease both times.

I know there are some people that somehow think Choco won the first fight but once again - if you get DROPPED in a close fight, you cannot win it, otherwise we need to say that Keef beat Manny.

It's just that people are disregarding Srisaket's performance because of the accidental headbutts. Choco got walked down like I've never seen him or anyone else get walked down besides McGregor.

Good read brother and you put me on game I was completely unaware of. Thanks for the backstory.

Now let me give you the back story with Roman.

Chocolatito is one of the biggest figures in Nicaragua in a time of well Documented Political turmoil. Because of Romana allegiance to the government, obviously since they gave him everything, he is shunned by millions.

Millions of Nicaraguans that identify as “azul y blanco” have turned their backs on Roman and downright hate him.

He lost his trainer, his closest loved one he admitted. Not that long ago he lost Arguello.

This adds up.

He carried this against the Thai fighter. 75% of those who viewed the fight felt RomaN won and convincingly. Unfortunately he lost a SD, chit happens.

Then he got brutally kod in the rematch, way too soon.

Take into account 115 is a 4th weight class that has provided problems so no way is it Roman at his best.

And he just beat Yafai to recapture the title. If y’all forget Chocolatitos greatness, I don’t.

I believe he beats Estrada and Sorungvisai now that he has settled into the weight.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Good read brother and you put me on game I was completely unaware of. Thanks for the backstory.

Now let me give you the back story with Roman.

Chocolatito is one of the biggest figures in Nicaragua in a time of well Documented Political turmoil. Because of Romana allegiance to the government, obviously since they gave him everything, he is shunned by millions.

Millions of Nicaraguans that identify as “azul y blanco” have turned their backs on Roman and downright hate him.

He lost his trainer, his closest loved one he admitted. Not that long ago he lost Arguello.

This adds up.

He carried this against the Thai fighter. 75% of those who viewed the fight felt RomaN won and convincingly. Unfortunately he lost a SD, chit happens.

Then he got brutally kod in the rematch, way too soon.

Take into account 115 is a 4th weight class that has provided problems so no way is it Roman at his best.

And he just beat Yafai to recapture the title. If y’all forget Chocolatitos greatness, I don’t.

I believe he beats Estrada and Sorungvisai now that he has settled into the weight.

The only reason people thought Choco won is - once again - people dismiss rounds where they think one guy is "dirty". There's simply no situation where Choco clearly won that fight. At all. He got DROPPED. The moment that happened, he was coming up from behind and wasn't going to catch up without getting a knockdown, which he failed to do.

If you REALLY got robbed in a fight, I'm saying there's simply no way the opponent won that clearly - you're likely to get that knockout in the rematch because the opponent would be second-guessing themselves and are prone to making a mistake.

We've seen it time and again through history.

Wilder/Fury 1 (suspect scoring) vs 2 (knockout)
Williams/Martinez 1 (suspect scoring) vs. 2 (knockout)
Pacquiao/Marquez 3 (suspect scoring) vs. 4 (knockout)
Cotto/Margacheato 1 (suspect wraps) vs. 2 (knockout)
Jones Tarver 1 (suspect scoring) vs. 2 (knockout)

Choco didn't get robbed, he just lost to a style he couldn't handle from a guy that ate grilled rat and at one point trained in a jungle.

I can only think of two exceptions.
Carnelo/Golovkin 2- Golovkin should have been able to knock out the WBC Carne Franchise Champion, yet failed.

Ward/Kov 2 - A knockout happened, from the wrong guy.

But I digress.

Let me regale you with Srisaket's story, since you're telling Choco's, so you know what he had been dealing with.

Srisaket was homeless. He was literally eating out of garbage bins to survive at one point.

When he got hooked up with his first team they worked behind his back to set him up to take dives against lesser fighters early in his career (which is the only reason he got losses in the first fights).

He had never gotten any sort of significant payday in hardly any of his fights.

By the time he switched it up he went on his win streak until an absolute joke of a decision loss against Cuadras. With one exception (Zoren Pama which ended early due to headbutt), after that outcome, Srisaket would proceed to knockout each and every fighter in his path until the first Choco fight.

Leading into that fight, Rungvisai had just as big a chip on his shoulder - which is why he was so aggressive and effective in walking Choco down. Choco had never faced anyone that much bigger and stronger that wasn't afraid of him.

I'm not dismissing the history Choco made. But it's simpler than people make it. He lost to a style that didn't work for him.

If he fought Srisaket now, after all of the issues with the girl, Choco would probably win, just like Estrada did. But back then? Srisaket Sor Rungivisai was not going to be denied by anyone. Not while he was eating rat and training in a jungle.