If no draw at least, Dervy was robbed.

[BodyBagz]

I haven't really looked online. I didn't watch the fight live and as you said, most people I saw, both on here and on twitter, were saying Charlo was either comfortably ahead, or it was a close fight with Charlo edging it.

I watched it right after it ended and I didn't see a domination. I saw a really close fight. I saw Dervy win some clear rounds. 1 6 10 11 and 12, I mean came away saying 'OK clear enough round for Dervy.' Just how I saw it.

And in passing on here I've seen some other guys who have no clear agenda to me, who more or less agree. They certainly don't seem hateful with their posts about the fight. Just 'I had Dervy winning 7-5 on my card; or I had the fight 6-6.' No real animosity and no real over-explanation.

As I said, I just don't really know what some people were scoring/watching in that fight. I think it was maybe a case of wagging the dog, where the narrative was building that Charlo was banking rounds so people just kept giving them to him if they were fairly close? Idk. But even then I feel like Dervy had some clear rounds.

People here (and only here I might add) say Chenko expects to be robbed every fight so his expressions are that of a loser.

If the above statement isn't the definition of agenda, nothing is. No fighter and no one on his team (promoter included) is going to sit idly by and just take getting robbed. The sport certainly won't.

And just out of reflex, a fighter who thought he won, would still make a motion as to raise his hand at the end. There was no ''oh crap, here it goes again. A robbery'' reaction from Team Chenko.

I have no issues with 116-112 3x Charlo.

[MUNG]

No one is complaining about it because 1) the media that is reporting on it is all US based and in the current climate it is not really PC to comment against a US African-American fighter like Charlo, in favor of a white eastern euro like Dervy.

And 2) the people on here who scored it for Dervy don't really care. It was a close fight and the bigger name got the decision.

What about all the hordes of posters who love all EE boxers who exist here!! & that includes american's too btw!! Are they not supposed to be on the warpath about this decision, a good fight with one odd lopsided card (isn't there always these days), they should be up in arms protesting about a close fight, havn't seen it myself yet but it's on the list so can't say for sure!

Actually, since most people here were saying easy win for charlo and then someone posted the punch stats, then i thought that's a bit weird, are they wrong or what's going on, sounds a very close fight by those stats, now i'm more interested to view it to see what's what

[Boxing-1013]

I gave you the criteria used for judging fights. You can cry about it but facts don't care about your emotions.

Lol I don't care at all about anything posted on here, or anything that happens in boxing really. It's basically theatre, but I find it entertaining. I score and watch fights to see who the better man is on the night, not to boost my self-esteem. I wish others would do the same on here, but it's well past the point of return on that one.

Keep being objective though - Mr. 'North America Runs Boxing'

People here (and only here I might add) say Chenko expects to be robbed every fight so his expressions are that of a loser.

If the above statement isn't the definition of agenda, nothing is. No fighter and no one on his team (promoter included) is going to sit idly by and just take getting robbed. The sport certainly won't.

And just out of reflex, a fighter who thought he won, would still make a motion as to raise his hand at the end. There was no ''oh crap, here it goes again. A robbery'' reaction from Team Chenko.

I have no issues with 116-112 3x Charlo.

No offense man but there is nuance involved in a lot of those situations you mentioned.

I think a lot of 'reactions' in those cases have to do with expectations - let's look at some recent fights at MW - Jacobs didn't beat GGG, but because he went 12 and did better than expected, he acts like he 'won' and some really try and push that narrative as well.

I only say better and not 'considerably' better than expected btw because I knew he could box with GGG in an 8-4 loss type fight, and I gave him a 10% chance or so to catch GGG early like he did to Quillin - but NO ONE thought his chin would hold up for 12 rounds.

Also Jacobs - Canelo. Everyone knew going in that Danny had to excel to win on the cards. Danny went 12 with GGG in a competitive fight. Canelo had done the same with GGG in 24 rounds. There were obvious expectations that it would be a competitive fight between the two of them. And you know what the deal is vs Canelo. So if you fight a close fight (I had it 7-5 to Canelo), you know you can't complain.

Derevy-GGG. No one is really expecting Derevy to push GGG but he did and it was a very even fight. So because he exceeded expectations - he/his team can push the 'he won' angle. And to be fair to him, it was a very close fight.

Derevy-Charlo - this one was really all about Charlo. This was his litmus test. He competed well with Derevy and showed he could compete. Derevy (and his team) knew he needed to dominate the fight to get the win and he knew he didn't do that, so why complain?

Derevy-Culcay - Culcay beat him, I feel strongly. But Culcay knows the deal, he doesn't get the nod against the bigger name fighter.

It's a story as old as time man. Come on, you seem like a smart guy. I know you get this stuff. Arguing against it is like arguing that A-sides never get favorable cards.

[Boxing-1013]

What about all the hordes of posters who love all EE boxers who exist here!! & that includes american's too btw!! Are they not supposed to be on the warpath about this decision, a good fight with one odd lopsided card (isn't there always these days), they should be up in arms protesting about a close fight, havn't seen it myself yet but it's on the list so can't say for sure!

Actually, since most people here were saying easy win for charlo and then someone posted the punch stats, then i thought that's a bit weird, are they wrong or what's going on, sounds a very close fight by those stats, now i'm more interested to view it to see what's what

I can't really speak for the stats, but watching it myself I felt it was a very even fight the whole way. I don't think Dervy started that slow, and I think he definitely finished the fight better and won the last 3 rounds. I actually feel like Derevy landed at least as many scoring punches as Charlo, probably more, but Charlo did land some big shots in a few rounds and did some good work too.

I certainly did not count a ton of scoring jabs for Charlo, so I'm not sure where all those were tbqh. It was a typical Dervy fight from what I've seen from him - his workrate is really high but he is easy enough to hit and marks up more easily than his opponent.

I've seen worse decisions and while I feel for Dervy that he has gotten really bad cards relatively speaking (vs GGG and Charlo anyway, never watched the whole Jacobs fight), it's just how it is in boxing. The young A-side with the star potential gets the nod, sometimes with cards that make you shake your head, and say 'he never had a chance.' Just how boxing goes.

I watch to see who I feel is better with my own eyes. I don't need another man, or judges, to tell me that. Dervy and Charlo had a great fight and mixed it up, props to them. Felt it was close and Dervy edged it.

[Boxing-1013]

People here (and only here I might add) say Chenko expects to be robbed every fight so his expressions are that of a loser.

If the above statement isn't the definition of agenda, nothing is. No fighter and no one on his team (promoter included) is going to sit idly by and just take getting robbed. The sport certainly won't.

And just out of reflex, a fighter who thought he won, would still make a motion as to raise his hand at the end. There was no ''oh crap, here it goes again. A robbery'' reaction from Team Chenko.

I have no issues with 116-112 3x Charlo.

Sorry - on the bold, you said the sport won't sit idly by and let someone get robbed of a decision? Well you're right about that in a way - they don't sit idly by, they are complicit!!! What an odd comment. Absurd man.

[MUNG]

The young A-side with the star potential gets the nod

He's a kinda pushing on a bit of the older young a-side just beyond the grand ole age of 30!

[Boxing-1013]

He's a kinda pushing on a bit of the older young a-side just beyond the grand ole age of 30!

Yeah this is true. Was surprised to be reminded of their age recently. Kind of crazy how some of these guys lost about 5 prime years not really fighting much of anything, when they could have been fighting each other.

[ShoulderRoll]

Lol I don't care at all about anything posted on here, or anything that happens in boxing really. It's basically theatre, but I find it entertaining. I score and watch fights to see who the better man is on the night, not to boost my self-esteem. I wish others would do the same on here, but it's well past the point of return on that one.

Keep being objective though - Mr. 'North America Runs Boxing'

So you don't care about the actual criteria used for judging fights, and prefer to score them however you feel like?

Got it.

[Boxing-1013]

So you don't care about the actual criteria used for judging fights, and prefer to score them however you feel like?

Got it.

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight


"A lot of times fans hear that judges focus on four categories: clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defense and ring generalship," Weisfeld said. "But based upon my own experience, my conversations with other judges and seminars conducted by top judges, judges really focus on one category, and that's clean punches."

[BodyBagz]

Lol I don't care at all about anything posted on here, or anything that happens in boxing really. It's basically theatre, but I find it entertaining. I score and watch fights to see who the better man is on the night, not to boost my self-esteem. I wish others would do the same on here, but it's well past the point of return on that one.

Keep being objective though - Mr. 'North America Runs Boxing'



No offense man but there is nuance involved in a lot of those situations you mentioned.

I think a lot of 'reactions' in those cases have to do with expectations - let's look at some recent fights at MW - Jacobs didn't beat GGG, but because he went 12 and did better than expected, he acts like he 'won' and some really try and push that narrative as well.

I only say better and not 'considerably' better than expected btw because I knew he could box with GGG in an 8-4 loss type fight, and I gave him a 10% chance or so to catch GGG early like he did to Quillin - but NO ONE thought his chin would hold up for 12 rounds.

Also Jacobs - Canelo. Everyone knew going in that Danny had to excel to win on the cards. Danny went 12 with GGG in a competitive fight. Canelo had done the same with GGG in 24 rounds. There were obvious expectations that it would be a competitive fight between the two of them. And you know what the deal is vs Canelo. So if you fight a close fight (I had it 7-5 to Canelo), you know you can't complain.

Derevy-GGG. No one is really expecting Derevy to push GGG but he did and it was a very even fight. So because he exceeded expectations - he/his team can push the 'he won' angle. And to be fair to him, it was a very close fight.

Derevy-Charlo - this one was really all about Charlo. This was his litmus test. He competed well with Derevy and showed he could compete. Derevy (and his team) knew he needed to dominate the fight to get the win and he knew he didn't do that, so why complain?

Derevy-Culcay - Culcay beat him, I feel strongly. But Culcay knows the deal, he doesn't get the nod against the bigger name fighter.

It's a story as old as time man. Come on, you seem like a smart guy. I know you get this stuff. Arguing against it is like arguing that A-sides never get favorable cards.

Charlo 8-4 all day unless a guy gives all of the close rds to Chenko.