Loma/Lopez: Lomachenko opens as a 3-to-1 favorite

[Combat Talk Radio]

And at the same time, Floyd didn't fight the same fight as Khan(who i had winning easily against Canelo before the knockout, but somehow the judges didn't). Khan was too fast and dictating the pace. Only when he became brave and stopped moving as much, the fight ended, and almost ended his life. Margarito was slow as molasses and a cheat. Without those illegal wraps, he's been getitng his azz beat ever since by top opposition. And when Manny faced Margacheato, he had already been broken by Mosley lol. Two horrible examples. A better one would be Jones moving up to face Toney in 94 or hopkins moving up to face Tarver.

You're ignoring the salient point in hindsight.

When Manny took that fight nobody thought he would dominate, much less win easy.

When Floyd took the fight people thought Carnelo would be too big and too much.

When Mosley took the fight people thought he had NO chance whatsoever.

What we're talking about here, and it's this simple: experience (Floyd/Manny/Mosley/Loma) going up against 'eye test' (Carnelo/Hatton/Margacheato/Lopez).

Of that second list only Carnelo has gone on to stake his place in history, but he'd already had a whole country behind him when that fight happened. Lopez isn't anywhere close.

Thus I'm telling you: this fight comes purely down to experience.

[JakeTheBoxer]

When Lomachenko beats him, Lopez will be considered as a bum there.

Haney and gervonta will be the next hope of Loamchenko`s haters.

[Combat Talk Radio]

The bold: That's not all Lopez has. I have learned in boxing the best two punches against a southpaw are: Right hand and left hook. Those are Teo's two best punches, and he does them with power, as Top Rank shill Bradley mentioned in the last telecast.

Once again - none of that matters if you can't land those punches. And they damn sure don't matter if you can't plant to land with power.

Loma pulls matador ish around everyone he thinks has power to hurt him.

As that same Bradley called out, Lopez fails to measure distance all the time:

[buddyr]

You're ignoring the salient point in hindsight.

When Manny took that fight nobody thought he would dominate, much less win easy.

When Floyd took the fight people thought Carnelo would be too big and too much.

When Mosley took the fight people thought he had NO chance whatsoever.

What we're talking about here, and it's this simple: experience (Floyd/Manny/Mosley/Loma) going up against 'eye test' (Carnelo/Hatton/Margacheato/Lopez).

Of that second list only Carnelo has gone on to stake his place in history, but he'd already had a whole country behind him when that fight happened. Lopez isn't anywhere close.

Thus I'm telling you: this fight comes purely down to experience.

whoooo? Floyd was a huge favorite and I couldn't find one person in my whole city to bet me on that fight. Everyone was talking that, "Canelo is too big", but I couldn't fine ONE PERSON TO COVER A BET. I knew floyd would shut him out. I saw what Trout was doing to him before the open scoring was announced and Trout was surprisingly behind and decided to stand and trade..

And no one is saying Lomachenko doesn't have a chance. At least anyone smart. But I did think Margrito's cheating azz was gonna destroy Mosley, simply due to age. But the point isn't being missed. Mosley had been a welter for about 8 years when he fought Margarito. I dont know why you're explaining this to me. I gave two scenarios of how it will end. Either Lomachenko outboxes him or Lopez knocks him out. I'm not understanding what you're trying to explain to me. I just said Lomachenko aint going toe to toe and seeing that 12th round. That's **** aint happening just like Lopez aint gonna box and win a single round.

[Combat Talk Radio]

whoooo? Floyd was a huge favorite and I couldn't find one person in my whole city to bet me on that fight. Everyone was talking that, "Canelo is too big", but I couldn't fine ONE PERSON TO COVER A BET. I knew floyd would shut him out. I saw what Trout was doing to him before the open scoring was announced and Trout was surprisingly behind and decided to stand and trade..

And no one is saying Lomachenko doesn't have a chance. At least anyone smart. But I did think Margrito's cheating azz was gonna destroy Mosley, simply due to age. But the point isn't being missed. Mosley had been a welter for about 8 years when he fought Margarito. I dont know why you're explaining this to me. I gave two scenarios of how it will end. Either Lomachenko outboxes him or Lopez knocks him out. I'm not understanding what you're trying to explain to me. I just said Lomachenko aint going toe to toe and seeing that 12th round. That's **** aint happening just like Lopez aint gonna box and win a single round.

It's not about "toe to toe" vs "box". Lopez didn't do go "toe to toe" against Nagatani. Because he couldn't.

Nagatani is nowhere close to a world beater and he managed to nullfy Lopez's one true strength: his power.

But Nagatani isn't skilled enough to have done anything about that advantage.

What I want around here is for people to actually go back. Listen to what Bradley and Ward said. Watch the Nagatani fight. SEE that Lopez is a basic fighter without his power.

Then pair that against a guy who has literally boxed circles around all but one of his opponents.

Then come back and explain to me how anyone has Lopez winning this fight.

All people can bank on is "if Lopez lands..." This LOMACHENKO. Why the F do you think his nickname is "Matrix"???

What I'm saying to you is...your knockout option shouldn't be an option at all. Because you can't knock out what you can't hit.

[mathed]

Lopez will run his mouth before the fight, but will have a hard time moving it after the fight. Loma by wide decision or likely late stoppage.

[Curt Henning]

I mean, the 'eye test" support for Lopez is through the roof. I don't get it.

Rexy, did most of NSB skip the Nagatani fight?

Is that what's causing so much denial around here?

im not saying youre wrong....

but...guys have off nights...and teo is one of those guys you know loves to knock guys out and wants to put on a show...he knows that his ticket and selling point......nakatani is also about 6 ft tall...absolutely huge for the class....

based off that fight most here had commey/teo a 50/50 fight...the pick em thread was almost split 50/50...and he handled his business rather quickly....

this is like someone saying based off the gamboa fight they would automatically write tank davis off against any top fighter in the division....i think thats a big mistake

not saying youre wrong...loma dominating teo is def an outcome i can see....but basing it off of one fight against a tall, awkward, unknown guy seems a bit rash imo

[Combat Talk Radio]

im not saying youre wrong....

but...guys have off nights...and teo is one of those guys you know loves to knock guys out and wants to put on a show...he knows that his ticket and selling point......nakatani is also about 6 ft tall...absolutely huge for the class....

based off that fight most here had commey/teo a 50/50 fight...the pick em thread was almost split 50/50...and he handled his business rather quickly....

this is like someone saying based off the gamboa fight they would automatically write tank davis off against any top fighter in the division....i think thats a big mistake

not saying youre wrong...loma dominating teo is def an outcome i can see....but basing it off of one fight against a tall, awkward, unknown guy seems a bit rash imo

...Curt, Teofimo Lopez the KO artist got taken the FULL distance by a guy who had only ever fought regional nobodies, had NEVER fought outside Japan before much less at the world
title level, and didn't even rise to the level of prospect.

After the fight, Teofimo Lopez had both Tim Bradley and Andre Ward criticizing him.

He caught Commey. So what? Would you or anyone dare say that Commey is equal skill to Lomachenko?

Anyone can have an off night - yeah, they can. But you have not heard Tim Bradley or Andre Ward go on a rant about things Loma is/was doing wrong at any point, have you?

That's because he may get caught slipping, but he fundamentally remains sound and solid. Where Teo does not.

FFS wasn't it just like 8 months ago this guy Teofimo was having a breakdown and talking about retiring?? Then we hear his family don't like his wife and all these personal issues...The guy's a mental case, on top of that, it's personal for him so he's emotionally affected.

To beat Lomachenko you have to be calm, cool, collected and unaffected. Period. But everyone here knows this already. That's why this outpouring of "Lopez KOs Loma" is mind boggling to me. There's LEVELS.

[_Rexy_]

Tarver was alwasy walking around in the 200s. I'm a huge tarver fan, but I knew Hopkins was gonna school him. Styles make fights. And I'm also a huge Toney fan, but it's no secret he could be troubled by movers. Nunn was also winning their fight until he got too comfortable(Something Nunn did a lot of in his career). If you come at Toney, he'll shoulder roll and counter you to death(Iran barkley and what he would have done to GGG if they were in the same era). If you move in and out, side to side, you can trouble him. That's why no one should have been shocked by what he did to Jirov. Because I also knew that Jirov was gonna be in Toney's chest all night and it's what Toney wanted. He didn't have to look for him.

I actually spoke to Tarver about this a while back (not about the Hopkins match, just about weight cutting in general) and he told me that he went into every camp with 25 to lose for the weigh in (so I assume that would be 200 since he was typically 185) I didn't bring up the Hopkins fight, but I had read from a few sources that he had to drop 45lbs for that fight because he had put on weight for the Rocky movie.

He did mention in another conversation that the two fights he wanted and never got was a Hopkins rematch and Joe Calzhage.

[_Rexy_]

im not saying youre wrong....

but...guys have off nights...and teo is one of those guys you know loves to knock guys out and wants to put on a show...he knows that his ticket and selling point......nakatani is also about 6 ft tall...absolutely huge for the class....

based off that fight most here had commey/teo a 50/50 fight...the pick em thread was almost split 50/50...and he handled his business rather quickly....

this is like someone saying based off the gamboa fight they would automatically write tank davis off against any top fighter in the division....i think thats a big mistake

not saying youre wrong...loma dominating teo is def an outcome i can see....but basing it off of one fight against a tall, awkward, unknown guy seems a bit rash imo

Nakatani is the same height as Luke Campbell, who everyone seems to think that Teo would have his way with for some reason.