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  • Zelda
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    #11
    You do not have those dedicated fighters who wish to put in the effort to learn all boxing skills. Today, it is more important that you look like a model so you can get endorsement deals and how many instagram followers you have.

    Without the dedication in the sports, you won't get the great trainers.

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    • tritium_arma
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      #12
      Trainers and coaches are overrated in all sports.

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      • smeck
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        #13
        Odd isn't it. Maybe boxers don't like to share the spotlight, or want people to think there's a puppet-master of Svengali pulling the strings? If a trainer pulled a stunt like Angelo Dundee ("You're blowin' it, son,") he'd be out!

        Ali and Ray Leonard didn't mind people pointing to Angelo Dundee, and there was also Gil Clancy, Lou Duva and Emanuel Steward.

        It seemed that the more famous trainers had a whole stable of fighters.

        Now, it's pretty rare to be able to name a trainer/manager. There are so many decent ones that a fighter doesn't look for the "star" who trained a big name fighter? There are more gyms? Or, are fighters smarter, watch more boxing tapes, and don't need a high profile guy yelling at them or pep-talking between rounds?

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        • sicko
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          #14
          Good Trainers are not Cheap

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          • Lomadeaux
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            #15
            Originally posted by Marchegiano
            To be honest I think in general trainers and their roles in boxing have been exaggerated through all of boxing history.

            Maybe they do have an impact, but, I too am confident if I had a stable of 30 men at least one of those ****s would be a champion.
            No way bro. If you could do that, you'd go out and do it. There's a lot of money to be made as a trainer.

            It's difficult to build a champion. Very difficult. It's a very long road.

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            • PRINCEKOOL
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              #16
              The best coaches are in the amateur gyms, and stay on the amateur scene 'Once a fighter has learnt his trade in the amateur scene, professional trainers are only really there to build confidence and maintain what they have fundamentally learnt' That is why it is usually a bad idea, when fighters part ways with trainers who have built them up 'Probably why Whyte was sparked out vs Povetkin'.

              Deep down all the great trainers have a passion for the amateur game and building fighters up from the beginning etc

              Note: Sugar Hill Steward, has stated that he wanted to retire and continue to work with amateurs 'I have known boxing trainers, who have stated that they prefer training amateurs and working in that environment'.
              Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 09-15-2020, 03:03 PM.

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              • Lomadeaux
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                #17
                Originally posted by Zelda
                You do not have those dedicated fighters who wish to put in the effort to learn all boxing skills. Today, it is more important that you look like a model so you can get endorsement deals and how many instagram followers you have.

                Without the dedication in the sports, you won't get the great trainers.
                The best fighters in the word do exactly what you say they don't do.

                Don't call Ryan Garcia a top fighter.

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                • SplitSecond
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
                  The best coaches are in the amateur gyms, and stay on the amateur scene 'Once a fighter has learnt his trade in the amateur scene, professional trainers are only really there to build confidence and maintain what they have fundamentally learnt' That is why it is usually a bad idea, when fighters part ways with trainers who have built them up 'Probably why Whyte was sparked out vs Povetkin'.

                  Deep down all the great trainers have a passion for the amateur game and building fighters up from the beginning etc

                  Note: Sugar Hill Steward, has stated that he wanted to retire and continue to work with amateurs 'I have known boxing trainers, who have stated that they prefer training amateurs and working in that environment'.
                  I’m guessing it’s because you can get more even competition for your guys. It lights a little fire under your ass. Boxing, especially now, is padding to 30-0, and every competitive fight is heavily calculated. Can’t have two guy’s at their peak duking it out. Someone has to be coming off a loss, jumping/dropping weight, on the decline etc.

                  But yea. Emmanuel I believe had said the same thing about preferring training the amateurs.

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                  • Marchegiano
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Lomadeaux
                    No way bro. If you could do that, you'd go out and do it. There's a lot of money to be made as a trainer.

                    It's difficult to build a champion. Very difficult. It's a very long road.
                    IF I could be paid to teach people boxing I would regardless of my ability to make a champion.

                    Ain't no shame in being low end or beginner level if you recognize it and bring kids to the next guy when they're ready for it.

                    However, IF I could train folks for money and I had trained a few I wouldn't take credit for one out of thirty being worth a ****. I'd give that credit to that one.

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                    • Lomadeaux
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Marchegiano
                      IF I could be paid to teach people boxing I would regardless of my ability to make a champion.

                      Ain't no shame in being low end or beginner level if you recognize it and bring kids to the next guy when they're ready for it.

                      However, IF I could train folks for money and I had trained a few I wouldn't take credit for one out of thirty being worth a ****. I'd give that credit to that one.
                      The trainer makes the fighter in the gym.

                      The fighter makes the trainer in the ring.

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