Boxrec messing up records?

[Marchegiano]

Boxrec having ****ty rankings is something we're all well used to, and, anyone who does any historical research can tell you they don't always agree with records kept at other places like CBZ

However

I have hardly ever seen Boxrec be wrong about their own records until real recently. Usually the wins-losses-draws at least match the record below.

Check this out:

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/010592


43-3-2 according to the top by his pic. Scroll down bud, you will see far more than 3 losses. WTF is that?

Billy had over 100 fights according to their own breakdown of his record.

43 wins? 3 losses? 2 draws? none of that is right. Not one digit.

13 losses

15 draws

75 wins

or at least close to them, damn.

It's not the first time I noticed some **** like this, but, it keeps coming up I figured I'd make a thread and start posting in my thread as it comes up.

[Shadoww702]

Boxrec having ****ty rankings is something we're all well used to, and, anyone who does any historical research can tell you they don't always agree with records kept at other places like CBZ

However

I have hardly ever seen Boxrec be wrong about their own records until real recently. Usually the wins-losses-draws at least match the record below.

Check this out:

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/010592


43-3-2 according to the top by his pic. Scroll down bud, you will see far more than 3 losses. WTF is that?

Billy had over 100 fights according to their own breakdown of his record.

43 wins? 3 losses? 2 draws? none of that is right. Not one digit.

13 losses

15 draws

75 wins

or at least close to them, damn.

It's not the first time I noticed some **** like this, but, it keeps coming up I figured I'd make a thread and start posting in my thread as it comes up.

I've seen them wrong quite a few times. Even have a picture of the wrong fighter lol

[chaosisme]

To me, it looks like they aren't counting "newspaper decisions". They list his record at 50 bouts in the top section, but at the bottom of the page it says 104 bouts. I counted 54 NWS results.

[Citizen Koba]

Boxrec having ****ty rankings is something we're all well used to, and, anyone who does any historical research can tell you they don't always agree with records kept at other places like CBZ

However

I have hardly ever seen Boxrec be wrong about their own records until real recently. Usually the wins-losses-draws at least match the record below.

Check this out:

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/010592



43-3-2 according to the top by his pic. Scroll down bud, you will see far more than 3 losses. WTF is that?

Billy had over 100 fights according to their own breakdown of his record.

43 wins? 3 losses? 2 draws? none of that is right. Not one digit.

13 losses

15 draws

75 wins

or at least close to them, damn.

It's not the first time I noticed some **** like this, but, it keeps coming up I figured I'd make a thread and start posting in my thread as it comes up.

Scroll down to the very bottom of that or any other Boxrec records page and you'll see the following disclaimer



©BoxRec : data may be incomplete/inaccurate


I think they basically acknowledge that it's an enormous undertaking and they're constantly making updates and so on. Whilst I've never actually done it myself I think you can post on their 'Queries and updates' forum if you believe their records are incomplete or innaccurate to inform 'em. In fact since you have another fairly reputable source to refer to I'd imagine they would be only too happy for you to let them know, although it could be a while before they get round to adding the data.

Boxrec Record Queries and Updates Forum:

https://boxrec.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1


EDIT: Mmmm. I kinda missed your point about the number of losses not matching the numbers at the top of his record, but scanning down them I'm noticing that of his losses only 3 of them are by judges decsion or KO, with the remainder being NWS (Newspaper decisions)... I'm wondering if Boxrec have elected to disregard NWS as part of their official numbers or something... Would seem like a strange step. Let's compare to some of his opponents records and see...

OK Tommy Gibbons is recorded as having 4 losses, including one by KO, but if you check his record including his sole NWS he has 5 (his NWS loss came to Greb)

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/11254?offset=0

Looking at Greb we got 8 losses including 2 by KO, at the top. Running thrpough his record we got 8 if we discount NWS but 18 if we include em.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/9019?offset=0

So yeah. Looks like Boxrec ain't including NWS in the official record numbers. Curious call, might be worth seeing whether they got any explanation.


EDIT: Ok so now we got this:


https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Newspaper_decision

Unheard of these days, but common during the early 20th Century, a "newspaper decision" might be made after a no decision bout had ended. A "no decision" bout occurred when--by law or by pre-arrangement of the fighters--if both boxers were still standing at the fight's conclusion (no knockout), then no official decision was to be rendered and neither boxer was to be declared the winner.

Note: BoxRec.com designates these unofficial newspaper decisions as W-NWS, L-NWS, and D-NWS.

So basically they're saying when there was no official winner Boxrec have not included the result on the official record... in effect the Newspaper results are included just for completeness.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Largest, most comprehensive database in boxing by an infinite degree over any other.

And it's free to the public!

Moaners always gonna moan, but Everyone in the boxing industry uses them.

They edit errors every day. CBZ? What, 1% the content of boxrec if even that.

But moaners gonna moan...

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I think they don’t count newspaper decisions or something like that.

Everyone knows my thoughts on Boxrec...

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

- -Largest, most comprehensive database in boxing by an infinite degree over any other.

And it's free to the public!

Moaners always gonna moan, but Everyone in the boxing industry uses them.

They edit errors every day. CBZ? What, 1% the content of boxrec if even that.

But moaners gonna moan...

This is longest and most serious post I’ve ever seen you make.

Usually it’s just some weird response followed by “what grade u in?”

[famicommander]

Their kickboxing records are horrible too. Not even sure why they bother tracking them because I don't think I've seen one that is accurate.

Their bare knuckle records have improved vastly in the last month. Up until last month their records only reflected BKFC, but now they include fights from the british BKB promotion, Valor BK, and even some random indies.

[drablj]

i am surprised that all of you just noticed that they don't count nws decisions. it's the same as no decision officially and nobody counts them now. i really thought that it's common knowledge.

[QueensburyRules]

This is longest and most serious post I’ve ever seen you make.

Usually it’s just some weird response followed by “what grade u in?”

- -Already figured it out.