Comments Thread For: Marriaga Backs Lomachenko To Beat Lopez: He's Too Good

[xEcto1x]

He got knocked down by a journeyman in his last fight we all saw it and he was wobbled. Bud will get knocked out at WW. Honestly, I think brook knocks him out.

[BlackR0bbb]

I remember Terence 'Bud' Crawford being in attendance for Miguel Mariaga vs. Vasily Lomachenko, and I could not stop laughing when the cameras got a shot at the WBC-WBO jr. welterweight champ from Omaha Nebraska, because the presence of a true master-pugilist shined a spotlight on Bumochenko's flaws in that sorry performance.

Two weeks later on ESPN, Terence showed the world that he was levels above Vasily Lomachenko, by becoming the undisputed jr. welterweight champion of the world inside three rounds against the undefeated unified IBF-WBA 140 pound champ, Julius Indongo.

Terence made unifying all four belts look easy. In contrast, Vasily Lomachenko told ESPN's Bernardo Osuna in the Mariaga post fight interview that he needed to work on his defense, after getting bruised up by a flatfooted undersized over-matched journeyman. The holes in Bumochenko's defense, would only get bigger as he started to fight men his own size. But Terence Crawford has also moved up since, and has only continued to dominate.

Its beyond me why a more proven, clearly superior boxer, is not above this clown, in the P4P.

You and I both know why these @ss hats continue to lie to themselves by saying MIDGETchenko is #1 P4P. Anyone with a brain knows Crawford has achieved more and never tasted the canvas in his career. Bud is working on his third divisional takeover and the only fights in his career that have even remotely looked competitive were Gamboa and Mean Machine, but we know how they wound up. I'm interested to hear what these clowns say after Crawford unifies welterweight and humbles Spence Jr. Loma has lost in his career and two years ago, he was dropped by a stale journeyman at MSG, facts his fans love to gloss over.

[TarasMarcenko]

1hourRun...

The fact is Gary went around complaining about copyright laws and got the fight pulled, it's been reported in various places he was behind it. And to put it fully to rest his pull couldn't control Ukraine. The fight can be found and watched on the net on Ukrainian sites, from the U.S. The full fight. Loma is fully accepting of all his fights. That's why the Salido fight can be found or the Linares flash knock down.

You can clearly see GRJ step on Loma's foot as he was leaning forward. The ref made a superb and accurate call. You're pure hatred of this man from Ukraine is to a point of being psychotic. And you're biased in every post with some chip on your shoulder. Your self esteem seems wrapped up in Loma in a negative way. Thank God those that know boxing will be judging his career. You hate Loma because he's white, plain and simple. You can't hide it by pretending you're being objective. As soon as you call the hardest working fighter out there Bum... your credibility is zero.

Why Loma is so good. His balance is supreme in the sport. The unheralded little thing that controls his movement and matrix ability in close. Gymnast genetics from his mother's side (Olympic caliber gymnast in her time).


Good calls below:






You have no inside knowledge and just throw out pure bs in each post. It's abnormally psychotic in nature. You'd shoot the man if you could get away with it. Your hatred is cringe worthy. There's something sick and ugly festering inside you.

[TarasMarcenko]

A gentleman to boot:

[TarasMarcenko]

Belt 1 at 126, 3rd fight overall; fight sanctioned because Salido lost the belt on the scale in the 2nd fight. To boot universally pundits were aghast at Cole's abysmal job, 64 low blows and not one call.





Belt 2 in new Division at 130 7th fight overall:

[TarasMarcenko]

Linares coming in at 147 and Lomachenko at 138:

Lomachenko with a torn right rotator cuff from the 2nd round through the 10th round, taking Linares out after the flash knock down in the 6th. Belt 1 at 135 and 3rd World Championship belt and in the 12 fight overall.


Still just coming off shoulder surgery favored his left arm and avoided right hooks, one of his signature punches. Belt 2 at 135.


Right shoulder operated on and healed and was the deciding factor against Crolla with right hook.

[TarasMarcenko]

Belt 3 at 135 against Gold Medalist Campbell and 5th World Championship belt in 15 fights:

[TarasMarcenko]

You and I both know why these @ss hats continue to lie to themselves by saying MIDGETchenko is #1 P4P. Anyone with a brain knows Crawford has achieved more and never tasted the canvas in his career. Bud is working on his third divisional takeover and the only fights in his career that have even remotely looked competitive were Gamboa and Mean Machine, but we know how they wound up. I'm interested to hear what these clowns say after Crawford unifies welterweight and humbles Spence Jr. Loma has lost in his career and two years ago, he was dropped by a stale journeyman at MSG, facts his fans love to gloss over.

Bud is a great fighter. Nothing can be said bad about Bud. You won't see me calling Bud a Bum or similar derogatory remark. If Bud beats Spence, he has to fight him first, then Bud is my number one P4P. The knock on Bud is his resume. I'm not knocking him for his resume, pundits are.

Loma's first 15 fights were the hardest opponent record in the history of Pro Boxing. And he was doing things that had old time pros drooling with praise and amazement. Haney pegged many Anti-Loma vengeful haters perfectly, 'no white boi is ever going to beat me' filter. I can see an argument for Crawford and interchanging 1 or 2 or 3 at the top. Crawford can prove it once and for all against Spence.

Have to look at Lomachenko's stellar amateur career and two Gold Medals and his request to get a belt fight as soon as feasibly possible. Did Haney do that, did Tank, did Teo? Did they sacrifice money and the pros to hone their skill in the amateurs and Olympics. They all fought debut fighters or worse in the pros, starting out. They didn't push the envelope and Loma did. They eased into it on purpose and were careful to maintain that zero rather than lay it all on the line up front.

Loma went from promoter to promoter and pushed for it, turning down big money, he didn't care about the money. He wanted to fight asap for a belt. When Salido came in over weight and then fight night ballooned up over 20 pounds and forfeited his belt, Loma didn't turn him away and refuse to fight. He took it like a gladiator. And he was given the rightful attempt in his third fight for the vacant that Salido forfeited. Loma didn't refuse the fight due to Salido's unprofessional-ism and in reality won that fight. Cole was lambasted by every sports channel out there, the 64 low blows that were not called all night and being hand given the job by his daddy, the commisioner of boxing in Texas. The split decision would have been a unanimous decisions if just one of those low blows was called. Instead Salido got points for each of those punches that were below the belt, plus he wasn't penalized once.

Boxing Insider, "Salido showed up heavy for the fight. Really heavy. One hundred forty-seven pounds heavy."

Bad Left Hook: "A few things worked against him [Lomachenko]. Orlando Salido not making the fight's weight limit of 126 pounds and then rehydrating up to 147."

ESPN wrote, "Cole did not seem concerned" regarding low blows. "Salido, 33, of Mexico, failed to make weight and was stripped of his belt at the weigh-in. He was 128¼ pounds, well over the 126-pound limit."

In an interview with The Ring Magazine, Laurence admitted that his performance in the fight "might not have been his 'A-game." and they noted "Cole came under fire for appearing to allow Salido to land an inordinate amount of low blows."

Boxing Insider wrote, "Of course Salido didn't win the fight fair and square. The guy was about as dirty as they come on Saturday. He hit low and hit low consistently. Referee Laurence Cole didn't seem to notice, or to much care, so Salido whacked Lomachenko below the beltline throughout the entire bout..."

Boxing.com wrote, "Few referees have turned in a performance as bad as that which Laurence Cole blessed us with Saturday night in, inevitably, San Antonio, Texas. Astonishingly bad performance. The referee failed to enforce rules on clinching, pushing and blows below the belt. And not only should this ridiculous excuse for a referee be sacked forthwith, but the role his father plays in, allegedly consistently, obtaining for him some of the biggest fights in Texas--his role with the Texan commission needs to be investigated."

Yahoo Sports wrote that the fight was "poorly officiated by referee Laurence Cole, who missed numerous fouls and seemed to let anything go."

Bad Left Hook wrote, "Maligned Texas referee Laurence Cole's performance was roundly and rightly criticized for missing a metric ton of Salido's low blows. And that mattered."

The Sweet Science wrote, "Holding and hitting, hitting on the break, low blows galore... Salido was aided by ref Laurence Cole who left his glasses at home. This was the latest in many controversies surrounding Cole, whose father ****ie Cole is the long time boxing commissioner of Texas."

Clarissa Shields was able to tie Loma and she is black. Loma set a new precedent and if a fighter comes in as qualified as he was, best amateur in the history of the sport and best boxer at the Olympics, in 2008, then they have a right to push for a top fight sooner than later. Usyk won all four belts at cruiser weight and automatically qualified to fight for a world championship belt at heavy weight. Loma was again a gold medalist in 2012. He was ready as soon as it was legally possible. Gary himself said, 'there are levels and there is such a thing as gravity and Loma is about to find out he ain't ready for me'. Normally a fighter is broken in slowly, because they are not ready. They want to keep that zero.

In the Salido fight, after the fight, ESPN was talking with one of the trainers in Salido's corner. The trainer said, we are glad we got him now because in a few fights he is going to be unstoppable. It happened the next fight and then Rigo, and Walters quiting on the stand. Ramirez and Marriaga throwing in the towel.

It's highly immature for you to call him midgetchenko. That's like calling Canelo a midget when he fought Kovalev. That's really just foolish. But I have to point out it's really ironically ****** too. If he is a midget at 135 that's even more a testament to his skill level. At 130 he was at an ideal weight. Hell Shakur is even much bigger than Loma and is fighting at 126. But Loma is average in size to most fighters at 126 or 130. If he went down to 126 again, he'd fit right in with the Walters (fought most his career at 126) and Shakurs of those divisions.

Loma moved from 126 to 135. He is about as small to these guys at 135 as Rigo was to him moving from 122 to 130 to meet Loma. Loma said it after that fight, I take no credit for that win, Rigo was simply too small. Remember though Rigo called out Loma for a year saying he was going to break his jaw. Loma in the media was being called a ducker so he accepted the fight and you know what he did to a smaller opponent, 7th P4P in the world and two time Gold Medalist. He was supposed to be faster than Loma and KO Loma. Loma is going up against guys bigger than him in the same extreme. What he is accomplishing is phenomenal. If he becomes undisputed in a division that hasn't had one since Pernell it will be a remarkable feat. Because he could much easier do it at 130 or 126. The only reason he's at 135 is because the belt holders at the lower weights were scared to face him so ran. Tank for one.

[TarasMarcenko]

The result stands as a bizarre blemish on the pound-for-pound king’s magnificent 14-1-0 record and it’s understandable that many who weren’t watching that night may not understand quite how such a uniquely talented boxer could be beaten that night.

Vasyl Lomachenko wanted to be the quickest in history to become world champion
Coming into the bout, Lomachenko was attempting a record-breaking feat by challenging to become the first fighter in history to win a world title in just his second professional contest.

Another fighter held the record, Thailand’s Saensak Muangsurin was the man to beat, with his record of winning the WBC super-lightweight belt in his third pro fight standing strong since 1975.

In his stellar amateur career before turning over, Loma won gold medals at two Olympic games and put together an astonishing record of 397 fights, 396 wins and just one defeat (which he avenged twice).

This gave the Ukrainian confidence that he’d be able to storm into the pro ranks and quickly dominate there as well. So the challenge was set.

Orlando Salido came from a very different background to Lomachenko. When he agreed to turn pro, Lomachenko was offered a seven-figure signing bonus by promoters including Top Rank, however, he turned them all down and instead demanded a title bout on his debut.

Due to the way the sport works in modern times, he needed at least one win to gain a ranking before challenging a champion, so the then 25-year-old knocked out Jose Ramirez and got a shot in his second fight instead.

The targeted champion? Orlando ‘Siri’ Salido.

Salido at this stage was an ageing fighter at 33, but still a featherweight world titlist who had been around for a long time and seen it all.

Lomachenko won gold at Beijing 2008 and London 2012. Despite coming in with a record of 40 wins, 12 losses and two draws, it is worth noting that most of the Mexican’s defeats took place within the embryonic stages of his career.

In stark contrast to Loma, Salido turned pro in his homeland at the age of just 15 and, by the time of his 24th fight, had 14 wins to his name, eight losses and two draws – effectively the record of a journeyman.

As he gained maturity, he turned his career around and became a three-time world champion.
Salido won his third world title on the same show that saw Lomachenko make his professional debut, and this was no coincidence as they were subsequently matched up.

Orlando Salido came in significantly overweight. Controversy began to brew on weigh-in day.

The Ukrainian challenger comfortably made weight under the 126lbs limit as he came in at 125¼lbs, while the Mexican champion clocked a whopping 128¼lbs.

This meant that Salido had a couple of hours to attempt to lose the additional 2¼lbs and keep his title, but instead he immediately started drinking to rehydrate and made no effort to do so, explaining this would be his last fight at featherweight and he didn’t want to deplete himself further.

As a result, he was stripped of his WBO title and the belt was now only on the line for Lomachenko if he emerged victorious.

Come the following night, the weight questions grew further.

In just over 24 hours, Salido rehydrated up to 147lbs and entered the ring with a massive size advantage over Lomachenko.

As the champion walked to the ring at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas, HBO broadcaster Max Kellerman declared: “I think more than anything, his not even attempting to make weight, after weighing in heavy, shows Salido regards Lomachenko as his most difficult challenge.

“He must feel that he can’t afford any disadvantage and in fact needs an advantage, weighing in heavier than the weight class allowed, in order to compete with Lomachenko.”

Loma’s punches did not have the same impact on Salido as they did other featherweights.

As soon as the first bell rang, the size difference between them was evident, however this was not the only telling factor.

Many rounds of the fight were tough to score, especially early on, as Lomachenko’s amateur style had not yet fully transitioned into the pro ranks.

Despite beginning on the back foot, Salido soon began to effectively target the body and push his opponent back.

Orlando Salido won four world titles, but was stripped of one after testing positive for nandrolone.

By the midway point fans and broadcasters began to notice a new theme emerging in the contest – Salido’s illegal low blows.

Much maligned referee Lawrence Cole appeared completely oblivious between rounds four to six as the 33-year-old began to smash the Ukrainian in his most vulnerable area on multiple occasions.

Perhaps naively, Loma opted not to complain and so Salido was allowed to get away with what commentator Jim Lampley said at the time was ‘a graphic piece of professionalism’.

Other have since branded it ‘dirty tactics’.

Lomachenko couldn’t relax against Salido and was constantly hunched over exposing his head and torso, reacting to the blows below the belt.

With four rounds remaining, the bout was beginning to look like it was in the veteran’s hands, prompting Lampley to add: “This is the reason why most hot prospects coming into professional boxing get an 8/12/15/20 fight professional apprenticeship.

“To learn all of those nuances before they get into a fight like this.”

With time trickling away and no points deductions forthcoming, Lomachenko knew he’d have to take things into his own hands.

Prior to the bout, many questioned the Ukrainian’s endurance given the fact he was used to the far shorter fights of the amateur code and semi-pro WSB tournaments.

Despite this, he came on strong with sharp counters in the eleventh and had Salido holding on to buy time.

Everything was set up for a dramatic final round, and this was most certainly delivered.

Salido desperately held while Lomachenko, spurred on by his corner, pursued a stunning finish. The Mexican was lethargic and rocked hanging on for dear life, but ultimately was saved by the bell before split decision scorecards were read out in his favor: 115-113, 113-115, 116-112.

Despite the weigh-in shenanigans, low blows and split decision, Lomachenko made no excuses.

“I did my best, I really tried,” he said in his immediate post-fight interview, “But it didn’t work out.

“I don’t wanna say anything about the judges, I’m a fighter and my job is to fight.

“I don’t like dirty fights, I’m a straight fighter, I’m clean. I don’t like that kind of fighting and that’s why I didn’t want to hit him back below the belt.

“I didn’t try to think of it [the weight], I believed I could beat him even if he was a bigger fighter than me.”

Vasyl Lomachenko won the belt in his next fight. Salido’s overweight triumph meant the WBO featherweight title became vacant and, because of the controversy that hung over their fight, Lomachenko was ordered to compete for it again in his very next bout.

Three and a half months later, he gave a one-sided boxing lesson to a phenomenally talented American, Gary Russell Jr, and hasn’t looked back since.

The experience Loma picked up in his defeat to Salido proved invaluable and he is now a fully adjusted professional with world title victories in three weight divisions.

In the years that followed, there was often talk of a rematch between Lomachenko and Salido at super-featherweight, however it never materialised.

Salido is now retired and will forever hold a win over the man who has become one of boxing’s pound-for-pound kings.

[BodyBagz]

Marriaga Backs Lomachenko To Beat Lopez

Damn....they don't need to fight now