My confidence in Joshua has gone down drastically

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    #11
    Originally posted by sunny31
    I think you obviously went all in early doors which was your first and major mistake.

    It is super hard to become a professional boxer, and only a minuscule % of people who try boxing make it to any sort of level. So like most sports to make it to championship level is a super rare. AJ is part of an even more rare group of individuals who has managed to do it as a late starter to boxing. Someone like that was never going to be unbeatable, the habits, and technique just doesnt form the way it does for someone who starts at 10 or under.

    AJ is actually a super freak at boxing to come as far as he has. I think he is a freak athlete who processes super well, there is no other way to explain how he has got to where he has. He is never going to have the fundamentals or foundations of someone like Lennox Lewis or even some of today's heavies, it's just not possible.

    The main issues is your expectations were too high, he was never going to be the flawless conqueror that you thought he would be, due to that late start. He is what he is, very talented, some things he does exceptionally well, but he has very exploit-able flaws. I think he is an improving fighter, and couldn't disagree more about Ruiz, I was actually super impressed with AJ. He showed a lot of stamina and discipline in the second fight, it's not like he was throwing "stay away from me punches" either. He buzzed Ruiz several times, busted him up with the jab, and yes he moved and used plenty of the ring. Some guys you just cant knock out.

    My opinion of him has not changed that much since Whyte. Very good fighter, capable of beating elite fighters, but also capable of losing to less than elite fighters. Everyone is writing him off against Fury, but I expect a pretty close and cagey fight. I think it's a really interesting clash of styles, I would not write Joshua off, although Fury is the better fighter and would have better results through a gauntlet of tough competition, does not mean he beats Joshua on a particular night. AJ can put punches together, has dynamite in his hands, and is smart...if he is able to protect his chin, he is dangerous for just about anyone in history. But at the same time I wouldnt be surprised if Pulev KOd him, that encapsulates AJ for me
    I'm not an AJ fan by any stretch but this is a good post. Green sent!

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    • *TonyMontana*
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      #12
      AJ is the heavyweight amir khan

      Built up by the media and overrated gets caught way too much and can be dragged into war

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      • hhh1200
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        #13
        joshua offered fury at 3 fight deal before fury fought wilder. i don't even bother with the 120 mil wilder deal. ask dibella about that after haymon fired him.

        AJ is real!

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          #14
          Originally posted by The plunger man
          Doubts will always creep in if a fighter gets stopped or knocked out especially heavyweights as it can end with one shot.
          Joshua did a shut out on Ruiz in the rematch And showed another aspect to his game and good stamina.....before people were saying he cannot move around the ring fluidly and gases after 8 rounds and debunked that myth
          Joshua does have some vulnerabilities in his game that’s just how he is but has also faced off with consistently better fighters than any other heavyweight.
          This Ruiz fight was a must win fight and Joshua instead of him going back in the ring heavy and relying on bulk he toned down had a game plan and used his superior boxing ability to carry out a clinic....he’s added another level to his game now and to me that’s a sign of good fighter.
          When you look at the level of fighters Joshua has faced off compared with fury it’s a no contest.
          December and the pulev fight will give us a good idea on the Anthony Joshua story ...personally I think he destroys pulev and sends a message to fury.
          Did you have these thoughts about fury when he almost got beat by wallin ?
          People need to stop with this Wallin myth.

          He did not nearly beat Fury, he won 2 rounds at best against a man with one eye.

          In that same situation with a similar cut, AJ would've quit like he did against Ruiz.

          The Wallin performance is just another string in Fury's bow.

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            #15
            I actually liked how he fought against Ruiz in the second fight. He punches looked snappier and he moved well.

            I was never sold on him tbh. I’ve always thought he looked like a a naturally skinny dude wearing a muscle suit- not a naturally big looking dude like Dubois.

            He pushes his punches out and they are telegraphed and easy to read. He seems to have a hard time connecting with any kind of regularity at long range. His best work comes in when he’s in the danger zone with his short hooks and uppercuts. Problem is that makes him vulnerable also.

            Another problem is that when he is rocked it can take him an aeon to recover properly.

            I think if he can master the stick and move tactics that he adopted in Ruiz 2 then he will be a force to be reckoned with though.

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            • KingKrypton
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              #16
              Ruiz was too fat in the rematch but Joshua did a good job boxing from the outside. I always thought if Joshua fought Wilder he would get Breazealed. But tbh this is heavyweight boxing everyone is a live dog.

              Wilder can still KO Fury.
              Wilder can KO Joshua.
              Joshua can KO Wilder.
              Joshua can KO Fury.
              Fury can KO Wilder again.
              Fury can KO Joshua.

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                #17
                Originally posted by LacedUp
                Everyone here knows I basically introduced AJ to this forum when he was ABA champion.

                He lived up to my expectations for a long time and then some, but I feel like his last two performances were horrible. But it wasn't like it was new..

                He didn't look good against Takam or Parker either, and whilst the Povetkin fight was a decent one, even that wasn't without troubles.

                At first I looked past it, but I've begun to see a pattern.

                Seeing him run around from the fat mexican still is a bit embarrassing imo. Despite him needing to do whatever he needed to do.

                Just a bit comical to see such a big guy afraid of exchanging with a small chubby guy.

                Where's your confidence in AJ currently?
                I agree but also I know that styles make fights so nothing to worry about there.

                AJ is still a stud but I always felt he would get KO'd by Wilder if he didn't manage to out-box him and catch him with something.

                Vs Fury? Nah, he will get seriously outclassed and will most likely not land his money punch.

                Side Note: Ruiz is American, born and raised

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by KingKrypton
                  Ruiz was too fat in the rematch but Joshua did a good job boxing from the outside. I always thought if Joshua fought Wilder he would get Breazealed. But tbh this is heavyweight boxing everyone is a live dog.

                  Wilder can still KO Fury.
                  Wilder can KO Joshua.
                  Joshua can KO Wilder.
                  Joshua can KO Fury.
                  Fury can KO Wilder again.
                  Fury can KO Joshua.
                  Bolded:

                  I just don't think so. If he was ever going to get KO'd in his prime, it would have happened in the first Wilder fight.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by *TonyMontana*
                    AJ is the heavyweight amir khan

                    Built up by the media and overrated gets caught way too much and can be dragged into war
                    He's already way more accomplished than Khan, so I have to disagree

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                      #20
                      Joshua did it great, he looked great, more slim, he won every round. he was never in danger. What are you talking about?

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