Teofimo Lopez is the next Broner

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  • Boxing Goat
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    #11
    Originally posted by SplitSecond
    The kid just doesn’t do enough, and he’s too simple for the style he likes to use.

    Think’s he’s some great counter-puncher but has issues getting counter’s off. Mainly because he only know’s how to use his feet for big leaps like he’s trying to imitate Roy Jones(except Teofimo has next to no feints). You’ll never see Lopez stutter step back to maintain the ideal distance to just make his opponent fall short and for him to get a counter off ala Rigondeaux or Mayweather. And he’s not as flexible as James Toney to stand and counter as effectively, nor is his counterpunching offense diverse enough. Nearly always it’s a counter right hand, counter right uppercut, counter right hand left hook, that’s about it.

    On the lead 70% of his offense is double jab, Sht right hand to setup leaping left hook. Leaping left hook. Rinse, repeat. For the other 30% when he;s actually trying to be active he might actually work something off those jabs, but most of the times he’s just killing energy leaping around aimlessly. It lasts for about a round, then he’s gassed, orbiting along the ropes, trying to clinch and will eventually get too tired to even properly defend. Lomachenko is going to kill this kid.

    Another thing that bothers me is, he doesn’t even have a counter left hook. What kind of self-respecting counter-puncher doesn’t have a counter left hook? Even Broner has that. He would have had a much easier time with Nakatani if he would throw that punch. But the guy is only ever thinking about rolling his shoulder, thus every counter starting with a right hand. Somehow hasn’t figured out you can roll your shoulder whilst throwing a left hook.

    Essentially, he;s just Broner all over again. Broner was hyped too (FOTD), had a ton of speed and power (actually think Broner hit harder). All the talent in the world. But peanuts for brains.

    Actually, I think Broner was better. Lopez has to evolve or he has no future at this level. Outside of hailmary shots most elite’s will whoop his ass.
    I disagree, he's not 22 with 4 kids that he neglects already

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    • SplitSecond
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      #12
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
      He’d knock Ponce De Leon out like Juanma did IMO. He’s far more explosive than AB was.

      I had my doubts after the Nakatani performance but you have to give him a lot of credit for the way he dealt with Commey. He proved he was world class in that fight.

      Does he beat Loma? I highly doubt it, but I don’t think a loss to arguably the best fighter in the world really hurts him at this point in his career.

      Only time will tell tbh man...
      He didn’t prove anything to me beating Commey. He was just an average fighter with a trinket in my eyes. I found it really difficult to imagine Commey making it out of those early rounds vs Lopez considering how open he leaves himself on the attack, and his chin sucks.

      Lopez is powerful. That’s about it. Lomachenko is a fight to his advantage, because Lomachenko is not great at fighting long-range, issue is, Lopez’ actual level of skill leaves a lot to be desired. Lopez keeps saying he can’t make the weight. But I think once he moves up it’s all over for him. Like you say though, time will tell.

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        #13
        Originally posted by SplitSecond
        He didn’t prove anything to me beating Commey. He was just an average fighter with a trinket in my eyes. I found it really difficult to imagine Commey making it out of those early rounds vs Lopez considering how open he leaves himself on the attack, and his chin sucks.

        Lopez is powerful. That’s about it. Lomachenko is a fight to his advantage, because Lomachenko is not great at fighting long-range, issue is, Lopez’ actual level of skill leaves a lot to be desired. Lopez keeps saying he can’t make the weight. But I think once he moves up it’s all over for him. Like you say though, time will tell.
        I suppose it depends how highly you rate Commey. I think he’s a pretty good fighter and was a solid champion. He’d been in with some good fighters and nobody has ever beat him convincingly.

        Agreed though bro... time will tell.

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          #14
          Originally posted by SplitSecond
          I’m your next dad.
          - -Why U self splotto?

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            #15
            I think talent wise he will be fine, the question is purely a mental one. He did not take the post-fight criticism for his match against Nakatani well at all. He said boxing wasn't fun any more, threatened retirement etc. I know they later said he was having problems in his personal life that contributed to that, but you have to wonder if that was an excuse. If he gets embarrassed by Loma (which is possible...), how will he react to that? Will he be able to handle the memes and the comments?

            There's no shame in losing to Loma. I think Teo could lose that fight handily and still have a great career.

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              #16
              Originally posted by SplitSecond
              The kid just doesn’t do enough, and he’s too simple for the style he likes to use.

              Think’s he’s some great counter-puncher but has issues getting counter’s off. Mainly because he only know’s how to use his feet for big leaps like he’s trying to imitate Roy Jones(except Teofimo has next to no feints). You’ll never see Lopez stutter step back to maintain the ideal distance to just make his opponent fall short and for him to get a counter off ala Rigondeaux or Mayweather. And he’s not as flexible as James Toney to stand and counter as effectively, nor is his counterpunching offense diverse enough. Nearly always it’s a counter right hand, counter right uppercut, counter right hand left hook, that’s about it.

              On the lead 70% of his offense is double jab, Sht right hand to setup leaping left hook. Leaping left hook. Rinse, repeat. For the other 30% when he;s actually trying to be active he might actually work something off those jabs, but most of the times he’s just killing energy leaping around aimlessly. It lasts for about a round, then he’s gassed, orbiting along the ropes, trying to clinch and will eventually get too tired to even properly defend. Lomachenko is going to kill this kid.

              Another thing that bothers me is, he doesn’t even have a counter left hook. What kind of self-respecting counter-puncher doesn’t have a counter left hook? Even Broner has that. He would have had a much easier time with Nakatani if he would throw that punch. But the guy is only ever thinking about rolling his shoulder, thus every counter starting with a right hand. Somehow hasn’t figured out you can roll your shoulder whilst throwing a left hook.

              Essentially, he;s just Broner all over again. Broner was hyped too (FOTD), had a ton of speed and power (actually think Broner hit harder). All the talent in the world. But peanuts for brains.

              Actually, I think Broner was better. Lopez has to evolve or he has no future at this level. Outside of hailmary shots most elite’s will whoop his ass.
              loma will beat lopez as for broner he was way over hyped lopez has never gotten that level of hype. broner never pulled off a performance like lopez's against commey. plus lopez is smarter than broner but that's not saying much hahaha

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              • SplitSecond
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                #17
                Originally posted by SHOOTALLCLOWNS
                loma will beat lopez as for broner he was way over hyped lopez has never gotten that level of hype. broner never pulled off a performance like lopez's against commey. plus lopez is smarter than broner but that's not saying much hahaha
                Broner’s dominant win over Demarco was seen as special. Demarco was probably a better fighter than Commey, from what I remember of him. Plus beaten better fighters. You’re right Broner was more hyped though. Broner had a following.
                Last edited by SplitSecond; 08-27-2020, 12:25 PM.

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                  #18
                  He might be too small in size for 147, just like Broner. But I doubt he's going to want to say at 140 where there's no money.

                  He has skills doe so he might be able to compete well any way at 47.

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                  • STREET CLEANER
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                    #19
                    Lopez is more more dedicated than Broner. Broner off ring antics and his attitude towards everything is his biggest down fall

                    Rewatch Lopez vs Nakatani and did not see him gassed out. If anything they realized how tough Nakatani was and they paced himself.

                    Nakatani had a good chin in that fight plus he is 5 11 and had a better reach. The unknown was not a bad fighter.

                    Still I favor Loma to beat Lopez but would love to see Lopez try to win that fight.

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                    • SHOOTALLCLOWNS
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by SplitSecond
                      Broner’s dominant win over Demarco was seen as special. Demarco was probably a better fighter than Commey, from what I remember of him. Plus beaten better fighters. You’re right Broner was more hyped though. Broner had a following.
                      lopez's second round demolition of commey was special unless you think he is nothing. commey was supposed to take lopez into deep waters and test him. lopez blew him away without breaking a sweat. commey arguably should have been undefeated before the lopez bout.

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