Comments Thread For: Kauffman: If I Lose To Wallin, I'm Retiring; His Claim To Fame Is Losing To Fury

[Kannabis Kid]

Ah, that ol' tactic, "I didn't read half of that (I actually did but I can't logically answer most of it) so I don't have to reply" standard procedure for Wildettes.

The analogy is sound and factual...Wilder hasn't improved since he got lit up as an amateur cruiserweight. His amateur fights look exactly the same as his professional fights; over reaching on every single punch; the guy even still steps into his punches with the back foot like an untrained street fighter or somebody from the WWE for shít sake crossing his legs and squaring up when he awkwardly tries to use lateral movement; backing up in straight lines; no variety in his punches whatsoever, he does know about uppercuts and body shots, right?; can't fight on the inside to save his life; same terrible defence—can Wilder even spell parry? Do AJ's amateur and professional fights look the same? Not even close, but you'd probably say otherwise because you hate the fact that Europe—and more specifically, Britain—runs the heavyweight division

Only reason Wilder is in the top five is because he held the title hostage for so long while getting outboxed by average level boxers until he'd pull through with the single attribute he has lol

Fury and AJ are the top dogs. Just get it over, Barry.

Haha AJ got pummeled and quit against a westerner in case you forgot you guys have the belts right now but they never seem to stay in your hands long how many champions do you have overall though 6 across 17 divisions I'm not including Whyte and Chris Earbanks Jr either they are not full champions thats including all 4 countries in the UK. North America has more champions than all of Europe anyways this is facts. I'm not hating on the United Kingdom they have a rich boxing history and I thoroughly enjoy a lot of their domestic fights I just don't like most you anti-western Brits on here.

By the way you just wrote a paragraph on how bad Wilders punching technique and movement is yet he was able to put Fury down twice what does that say about his defense.

[Tyistall]

He was always nuts, it was documented even before he fought Chisora the first time. But who cares? I dont get how you back Whyte, a two time cheat, against a guy you don't like for cheating. The thing is, Fury has proved he's the best heavy right now.Ajs performance against Ruiz in the rematch didnt prove anything except he's a much better athlete than Ruiz, much bigger with a longer reach. He's tactics were right but he boxed as if scared to be hit. He won't be able to do that with bigger men with longer reaches. As for ducking mandatories, I refer you back to Whyte. He's twice a cheat who bashed up Rivas in basically a mugging when those around him knew he's was drugging. How's that for class? He looked awful against Wach, you think he's the future?

I don't back Whyte for anything, I just hate it when guys duck challenges and then walk around talking tough. Wilder sis it for years and now Fury is doing it too. Theres no reason why Fury can't take the Whyte fight. None. Fury only has 2 good names on his record and he's only fought 2 guys in the top 33 in the world! Just 2. Yet he's unbeatable to some of you? That's insane

[Squared.Circle]

Haha AJ got pummeled and quit against a westerner in case you forgot you guys have the belts right now but they never seem to stay in your hands long how many champions do you have overall though 6 across 17 divisions I'm not including Whyte and Chris Earbanks Jr either they are not full champions thats including all 4 countries in the UK. North America has more champions than all of Europe anyways this is facts. I'm not hating on the United Kingdom they have a rich boxing history and I thoroughly enjoy a lot of their domestic fights I just don't like most you anti-western Brits on here.

By the way you just wrote a paragraph on how bad Wilders punching technique and movement is yet he was able to put Fury down twice what does that say about his defense.

...and then won a shutout unanimous decision lol completely nullifying Ruiz' success. "Ruiz was over weight, he didn't train"...Yea let's forget about the fact Ruiz was saying he would come in heavy for more power and let's ignore the American training partner (can't remember who it was) that said Ruiz and his trainer were just throwing excuses out there, Ruiz trained. You can't plod around in the ring with all that weight and not become exhausted of you hardly trained. That's just common sense. Being fat doesn't mean a guy hasn't trained.

Wilder being able to land four solid, clean punches out of a total of over 400 says quite a lot for Fury's defence

America's time of holding the top spots of every division is well over me ode chum.

HW: Fury & AJ
CW: Briedis & Dorticos
L-HW: Bivol & Beterbiev
S-MW: Benavidez & Smith
MW: Canelo & Golovkin
L-MW: Charlo & Rosario or Lara
WW: Pac & Spence
L-WW: Taylor & Ramirez
LW: Loma, and only him
S-FW: Berchelt, and only him
FW: Russel & Cruz
S-BW: Vargas, and only him
BW: Rigo & Inoue
S-FW: Estrada & Gonzalez
FW: Tanaka, and only him
L-FW: Belongs to the Japanese
Minimum: The Thai dude

That's 9 Europeans in the top spots, as opposed to four Yanks. That European takeover is definitely happening.

And finally..."anti-western Brits"? somebody skippped a few geography lessons.

[Mindgames]

Lol this is whats funny to me this is a thread about Kauffman and Wallin and somehow Wilder's name got brought up not by me but by you because that's what you all always do. I have always said at the moment Fury is the number 1 heavyweight I have never denied it but you guys act like he is a god that is untouchable and unbeatable and clearly that is not true. His win over Klitschko was good on paper but nobody will remember that fight in 20 years. I also have never said Wilder was great he has the power to put anybody out though and that's a fact.

Fury won the 2nd fight fair and square but you make it seem like he put Wilder out cold he hit Wilder in the back of the head (not intentional Wilder tried to slip his right hand and that's just where it landed) but it happened and he was never able to recover has happened to other fighters in the same way before too. Of course when you are stunned like that in a fight against an extremely talented boxer like Fury you are going to be in trouble I have never taken anything away from Tyson Fury's skill set he is a hell of a fighter who can move very well for his size I just feel like he get's away with a lot of **** and I don't like his attitude towards a lot of things.

Well there's nothing wrong with disliking a fighter personally, Furys never particularly bothered me, but to can't stand Saunders for instance. I don't think Fury is untouchable at all, and I didnt like what he done for the Wlad rematch. It was unprofessional and led to a fragmented title again. I went off Wilder around about the time people started hyping him, not as a great puncher, but as the greatest of all time. I didnt like how he behaved in hes wins in the Stiverne rematch, or Ortiz fight one. I thought he was hitting Ortiz on the back of the head on purpose and he's hype was starting to get abit nauseating. To trash Mike Tysons record while having faced little good opposition himself further turned me off. I've gone off AJ too. I liked him, even when he lost to Ruiz, but for all he's lack of excuses he more than made up for it before the rematch. And I hated the way he fought, it resolved nothing to me. And it cost me 25 quid and it stunk lol.

[Kannabis Kid]

...and then won a shutout unanimous decision lol completely nullifying Ruiz' success. "Ruiz was over weight, he didn't train"...Yea let's forget about the fact Ruiz was saying he would come in heavy for more power and let's ignore the American training partner (can't remember who it was) that said Ruiz and his trainer were just throwing excuses out there, Ruiz trained. You can't plod around in the ring with all that weight and not become exhausted of you hardly trained. That's just common sense. Being fat doesn't mean a guy hasn't trained.

Wilder being able to land four solid, clean punches out of a total of over 400 says quite a lot for Fury's defence

America's time of holding the top spots of every division is well over me ode chum.

HW: Fury & AJ
CW: Briedis & Dorticos
L-HW: Bivol & Beterbiev
S-MW: Benavidez & Smith
MW: Canelo & Golovkin
L-MW: Charlo & Rosario or Lara
WW: Pac & Spence
L-WW: Taylor & Ramirez
LW: Loma, and only him
S-FW: Berchelt, and only him
FW: Russel & Cruz
S-BW: Vargas, and only him
BW: Rigo & Inoue
S-FW: Estrada & Gonzalez
FW: Tanaka, and only him
L-FW: Belongs to the Japanese
Minimum: The Thai dude

That's 9 Europeans in the top spots, as opposed to four Yanks. That European takeover is definitely happening.

And finally..."anti-western Brits"? somebody skippped a few geography lessons.

Anti-western as in hemisphere not lifestyle dumbass always talking **** on anyone from this side even Mexicans who run **** too and always beat up Brits leaving them on the floor like Charlie Edwards and Liam Smith. My family is from Mexico which is North America along with the Caribbean and Canada so yeah we have way more champions than Europe who forgot their geography lessons. It's funny you count the UK along with all the other European nations as your "champs" but you conveniently left out all the others in my continent as well to give yourself numbers plus that wack ass list you made which doesn't even include all the champs only the ones you favor go do the math again buddy.

Ruiz was in shape to go 12 but not in great shape he was slow and lethargic if he had come in fight shape he would have had a better chance at chasing AJ down now Eddie Hearn is saying he doesn't want the Ruiz match he needs to win a lot more fights to be considered is just an excuse not to have to fight him again they are still 1-1 and Ruiz got the knockout victory or actually made him quit but you know that already. Joshua probably won't have the belts by next year anyways so there are better match ups to be made.

[LoadedWraps]

Lol this is whats funny to me this is a thread about Kauffman and Wallin and somehow Wilder's name got brought up not by me but by you because that's what you all always do. I have always said at the moment Fury is the number 1 heavyweight I have never denied it but you guys act like he is a god that is untouchable and unbeatable and clearly that is not true. His win over Klitschko was good on paper but nobody will remember that fight in 20 years. I also have never said Wilder was great he has the power to put anybody out though and that's a fact.

Fury won the 2nd fight fair and square but you make it seem like he put Wilder out cold he hit Wilder in the back of the head (not intentional Wilder tried to slip his right hand and that's just where it landed) but it happened and he was never able to recover has happened to other fighters in the same way before too. Of course when you are stunned like that in a fight against an extremely talented boxer like Fury you are going to be in trouble I have never taken anything away from Tyson Fury's skill set he is a hell of a fighter who can move very well for his size I just feel like he get's away with a lot of **** and I don't like his attitude towards a lot of things.

Fury is unbeatable and untouchable. He runs the HW division.

There are guys that can give him a tough fight but no one you can responsibly favor against a killer like Fury.

[Kannabis Kid]

Well there's nothing wrong with disliking a fighter personally, Furys never particularly bothered me, but to can't stand Saunders for instance. I don't think Fury is untouchable at all, and I didnt like what he done for the Wlad rematch. It was unprofessional and led to a fragmented title again. I went off Wilder around about the time people started hyping him, not as a great puncher, but as the greatest of all time. I didnt like how he behaved in hes wins in the Stiverne rematch, or Ortiz fight one. I thought he was hitting Ortiz on the back of the head on purpose and he's hype was starting to get abit nauseating. To trash Mike Tysons record while having faced little good opposition himself further turned me off. I've gone off AJ too. I liked him, even when he lost to Ruiz, but for all he's lack of excuses he more than made up for it before the rematch. And I hated the way he fought, it resolved nothing to me. And it cost me 25 quid and it stunk lol.

I can agree with some of that and understand your view I do agree in the rematch with Stiverne he hit Stiverne with a looping hook behind the head right before he dropped him initially always have said that and that is the reason Stiverne could never gain his bearings similar to what happened to Wilder himself against Fury so I have no problem with that it's the sport of boxing. Not saying Stiverne would have won he was really out of shape and had a short camp but possibly could have been a better fight and and not ended up a meme. I also agree he is not better than Tyson especially in his prime his head and waist movement was something else especially for his stature he was truly a beast in a division among giants.

I also agree about the Klitschko rematch Fury screwed him by not giving him the opportunity to at least try and get his title back Fury won that fight no doubt about it, it was boring but he won he was just a tad bit more active and stole rounds. Wlad had personal issues and that is not an excuse but how is it ok for Fury to go months later and back out of the rematch citing "depression and substance abuse" and people accept that but will say what Wlad had going on wasn't anything that rematch needed to happen and Furys PED use ruined it but it is what it is I just hope going forward he actually makes some good title defenses that's all I'm saying.

[Kannabis Kid]

Fury is unbeatable and untouchable. He runs the HW division.

There are guys that can give him a tough fight but no one you can responsibly favor against a killer like Fury.

If Fury can make 10 consecutive title defenses without any personal **** ups I'll send you cash

[LoadedWraps]

If Fury can make 10 consecutive title defenses without any personal **** ups I'll send you cash

Bookmarked.

[Squared.Circle]

Anti-western as in hemisphere not lifestyle dumbass always talking **** on anyone from this side even Mexicans who run **** too and always beat up Brits leaving them on the floor like Charlie Edwards and Liam Smith. My family is from Mexico which is North America along with the Caribbean and Canada so yeah we have way more champions than Europe who forgot their geography lessons. It's funny you count the UK along with all the other European nations as your "champs" but you conveniently left out all the others in my continent as well to give yourself numbers plus that wack ass list you made which doesn't even include all the champs only the ones you favor go do the math again buddy.

Ruiz was in shape to go 12 but not in great shape he was slow and lethargic if he had come in fight shape he would have had a better chance at chasing AJ down now Eddie Hearn is saying he doesn't want the Ruiz match he needs to win a lot more fights to be considered is just an excuse not to have to fight him again they are still 1-1 and Ruiz got the knockout victory or actually made him quit but you know that already. Joshua probably won't have the belts by next year anyways so there are better match ups to be made.

Britain is in the Western Hemisphere ya gret mong if you want to get technical then it's in both the East and West, but it's almost entirely in the West. You're probably the only person that doesn't consider it to be Western lol And it's not funny I included European nations seeing as my point from the get go was...the European takeover. Fighters from North America aren't defined as North American fighters, they're distinguished by their nation, but fighters from Europe are more often than not defined as European fighters (it's your lots fault for grouping us all into one), so there's that.

And that list isn't world champions, as I clearly stated, it's the top fighters of each division. In the age of multiple world champions in each organisation, only the top two guys are what's important.

You talk about Ruiz chasing AJ down which is exactly what he would have done, chased him all night long because the guy cuts off the ring worse than some paper scissors.

You're one of them that think a knockout loss is a done deal for a guy's career...like Lewis or Wlad (both European by the way ) never took stoppage losses. I'm not saying AJ is comparable to those guys, but the circumstances are the same. Taking a convincing, shutout unanimous decision loss is worse than easily winning the first few rounds of a fight, dropping your opponent then getting caught with a shot that would probably discombobulate any heavyweight. Or, losing 7 rounds in embarrassing fashion, being ragdolled around and beat down like an abusive dad would his thieving son. The whole "AJ quit" is just a haters spin on it. He spat his gum shield out (old school tactic to buy more time), the referee had it in his hands, AJ went to his corner ready for the referee to hand it to the corner when the count was done (because, ya know, a referee can't resume the action if the gum shield isn't in). Did he say no mas? Did he stay on the ground? Did he say he no longer wanted to continue? No, quite the opposite. Unless the reply of "yes" to "do you want to continue", twice, somehow means no lol that was a bad stoppage. If a fighter can walk in a straight line and immediately responds to questions...let him fight until he can't. Would AJ have won if the referee didn't make that very hesitant wrong call? Not unless he landed a peach of a shot. But the man didn't quit like Khan.

And just to point out, the UK has a population of around 65m, America has around 320? 330m? Yet there's only double the amount of champions, not 4/5 more. And I think it's a safe bet that British world champions earn a fair bit more than them across the pond, in dollars or pounds. We have interim champions banking 5m when there's full champions struggling to make 1.5 lol So we're not doing so bad at all in comparison.

This isn't anti-AMERICAN, it's anti anti-European, which is what a lot of Americans on here are. "I just support my countrymen" while pulling every excuse out their fart box to discredit fighters from across the pond lol