Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz Beats Down, Stops Samuel Vargas in Seventh

[Marvlus Marv]

Hits harder than Crawford but Bud has way better feet. I think Ortiz would do better vs Spence. Needs to be fighting more dangerous cats than Samuel Vargas to give us a better idea of where he's at. It was an impressive beatdown all the same.

[kidbazooka]

Some are getting carried away here. For Ortiz having so little fights and showing so much technic he has makes him one of the top guys from the upcoming crop.

But he had a guy that has a poor defense and did not a lot of punching power. He looked good and did what he had to do with an opponent of that consistent caliber.

I expect bigger things from Ortiz but lets see when he gets match up with some of the guys currently on the top. I like him far better than Ryan Garcia.

He’s not just better than Ryan he’s waaaaaay better than guys like Haney and Shakur.

[budfr]

Vergil Ortiz will be hard foe anyone around his weight class. Some Yidiots here saying Vargas was not a tough challenge make me laugh. Vargas is a tough cookie, brave, with a good chin, veteran, crafty. Vergil O only has 16 fights !! give him a break. Oh, with 16 KOs by the way. This kid fights like JC Chávez, relentless, good chin, brave. None of that hugging-running Philly Chicken **** style.

[indelible]

You son don’t know ****tt about boxing but I’m pretty sure you don’t believe what you just typed you know Vergil is the real deal but because he’s well you know you just don’t wanna admit.

I’ll tell you who is a ko waiting to happen tho Haney, Shakur and Tank those dudes are sloppy hype jobs nothing g else

Haha you don’t even know me to make that judgment. Pretty sure you’re the same guy that said Ryan Garcia is the future. Now it’s Ortiz. Youre bandwagging. Anybody that understands boxing or any other sport knows constructive criticism comes with the territory. I’m only giving my analysis about Ortiz’s overall performance. There’s no question he will be a world champion but he’s not quite there yet.

[indelible]

It’s blasphemous to compare Munguia to Vergil. The kid is levels ahead of Jaime even @ this early stage in his career. Vergil systematically broke down a crafty veteran that has had battles with some current and past champions. Listen, it’s obvious you ain’t a Vergil fan and that’s fine but don’t diminish the kid skills there’s a reason, so many are calling this kid the future king @ 147. Those that know boxing see that Vergil is a special talent and the heir apparent to Canelo as the next face of boxing. Viva Vergil...

Ortiz happens to be one of my top prospects that I look forward in seeing progress and yes he did stop a crafty veteran. No discredit to that. There’s no question he’s talented. I’m just pointing out some flaws. Example, Ortiz is a bit susceptible to feints. Vargas was able to land some decent shots after some pretty clear feints, doing good body work, something that Ortiz wasn’t doing throughout the fight. As I stated in an earlier post on another thread, we need someone to take Ortiz to deep waters so we can see how well he adapts to the pressure. There is an upside to these flaws. Thanks to Vargas, Ortiz will close those gaps and be closer to becoming a full fighter and contender to a title. So yeah I do know boxing

[indelible]

You have gone full re tard. There is literally nothing similar between Vergil who has elite amateur pedigree, top notch technique and fundamental defense compared to Munguia who had no amateur background and is still learning boxing fundamentals on the fly. Munguia while winning has lost many rounds hasn't knocked out all his opponents even when he was facing tomato cans early his career gets hit a ton whoever he faces. Ortiz doesn't get hit much and in 16 fights has 16 KOs and he has maybe lost 1 round in all those fights combined. He's dominating and not just winning off brute face forward slugging eating punches on the way like Munguia.

We are all dumber after reading your post comparing these 2 fighters who fight nothing alike.

You’re too slow and behind schedule to understand old timer. Ortiz was getting hit by Vargas quite a bit. If you believe compubox numbers is accurate you don’t know boxing. The only comparison I was drawing is the overhype. Without a doubt he’s talented but to say he’s the future of boxing is an overstatement alas Ryan Garcia, but certainly not ruling out he won’t be.

[indelible]

The problem with your argument is that it can't be applied to all fighters, some fighters reach better level at his early 30's than his mid 20's.

Look I'm not here to debate that Ortiz is better than Spence, the point I'm trying to make is that in the near future Ortiz might be on almost the same level as Spence.

That is a safe prediction should Ortiz stay at welter for a few more years. kid is going to outgrow 147

[indelible]

Vergil Ortiz will be hard foe anyone around his weight class. Some Yidiots here saying Vargas was not a tough challenge make me laugh. Vargas is a tough cookie, brave, with a good chin, veteran, crafty. Vergil O only has 16 fights !! give him a break. Oh, with 16 KOs by the way. This kid fights like JC Chávez, relentless, good chin, brave. None of that hugging-running Philly Chicken **** style.

Teofimo has 15 fights and became a world champion at 21. Just saying. Why are people drawing a conclusion early as Ortiz being the future of boxing when he hasn’t fought for a title eliminator yet. Just to be clear, not saying it’s an unlikelihood for Ortiz to become the face of boxing but a probability

[indelible]

He’s not just better than Ryan he’s waaaaaay better than guys like Haney and Shakur.

Stop. You’re gonna break your man crush of Ryan Garcia’s heart with those words

[STREET CLEANER]

He’s not just better than Ryan he’s waaaaaay better than guys like Haney and Shakur.

Don't think so. Maybe in the power department. Ortiz has bad habits that Haney and Shakur don't have.

He is front foot heavy most of the times, telegraphs some of his hard punches and pulls his right hand down when he jabs. Plenty to exploit but small things that he can get right. The other two guys are fundamentally more sound.