Smaller Fighters Beat Bigger Fighters All the Time, Yet the Boxing World MUM About IT

[pesticid]

Just look at the expectations on Spence to destroy Mikey Garcia, come fight night he could barely get through his defense. Bellew was at the risk of dying vs Haye, his head was due to explode on contact, took Haye’s punch and beat him.

Usually the issue I see for smaller fighter’s (not including the prospect of them simply not being good enough) is adding to much weight. The best strat is always just go for peak performance. If you start to slow down, stop the weight gain.

It goes without saying that there is reaching too far.

Great post and like you said there is reaching too far

[TonyGe]

These small guys that move up multiple divisions are the cream of the crop. Some of them move up because they can't make the lighter weight. They started young and simply outgrew their division.

[QueensburyRules]

For people that have been to boxing gyms, how many times have you seen small guys beat up on big guys?

You don't even have to go to a boxing gym, go to youtube and I am sure you'd find plenty of videos supporting the argument.

We've seen Devin Haney handle Shawn Porter. Teofimo Lopez handling Ugas, same with Linares beating Ugas. There are so many, many cases.

Look at Pacquiao who moved up from 100 something pounds and went all the way up to beat up Margarito something viscous. How many fighters have gone up in weight and have had success?!?!?! Now how many fighters have gone down in weight and have found success?!?!?!

Yet, boxing heads, fans, commentators always talk about size and weight and yes there are examples where the smaller man lost, there are a quite a few but how many more examples are there where the smaller man won.

There are guys who have moved up 40 plus pounds both in the pro ranks and the amateurs who have become world and olympic champions.

I've seen flyweights beat up on welterweights in the gym, middleweights beating up heavyweights, and NO the welterweights and heavyweights weren't some bums off the streets that just started boxing.

Like George Foreman once said on and HBO broadcast, "boxing is a small man's sport" or something along those lines.

Examples of current fighters who are P4P and who have moved up in weight - Terrence Crawford, Lomachenko and Canelo Alvarez.

So why is nobody talking about it?

- -U wake up feeling all mummy this am?

[pesticid]

Man, this is a bizarre post.

Smaller fighters do not be larger fighters "all the time"

Great fighters beat fighters who are not as great, negating their size advantage.

Duran, Pacquiao, Tyson, Holyfield, etc . . . are Hall of Famer fighters, who regularly beat up bigger dudes because they're just that great that they can compensate for their lack of size.

Canelo's not going to be beating up Tyson Fury anytime soon.

If your theory was true, there'd be no need for weight classes because Chocolatito would be heavyweight champion

And in gyms, most of those guys are not boxing full time, so a little guy may be wayyyyyy better than a larger dude who just comes to the gym on weekends or just started or something.

obviously not all the time, I exaggerated to get peoples attention. Think of Sam Lanford starting at lightweight, Chris Byrd middleweight, Guillermo Jones welterweight, Duran lightweight, Dlh and Floyd lightweight, Pacman probably at straw fight, Toney at junior middle and Roy at middle. Canelo at welterweight. Dwight Qawi even at 5 6 fighting at heavyweight.

[Get em up]

How about Errol Spence vs the Charlos or Terrence Crawford vs the Charlos, Pacman, Thurman, Garcia and Porter vs the Charlos sparring or sanctioned?

PS: how about Gary Russell Jr vs Crawford lol?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIncrHwjTHQ

How about DLH getting outboxed by tiny Ivan Calderon lol?

Errol Spence is the Charlo brothers size it isn't far fetched to see a fighter move up 2 weight classes. Canelo just did it against Kovalev and Mikey did it against Errol. In the original post you spoke of a 40 pound difference in fighters and let me tell you from experience 40 pounds in a ring setting is DRASTIC. There is a reason we have weight classes.

[pesticid]

Errol Spence is the Charlo brothers size it isn't far fetched to see a fighter move up 2 weight classes. Canelo just did it against Kovalev and Mikey did it against Errol. In the original post you spoke of a 40 pound difference in fighters and let me tell you from experience 40 pounds in a ring setting is DRASTIC. There is a reason we have weight classes.

I said 40 pounds in a career but even then we know of 40 pounds difference that has happened in gyms. Obviously officially cant happen as the fighter has to meet the minimum weight. Pillow-Fisted Chris Byrd went from middleweight to heavy and he fought the biggest punchers at heavy. Freddy Roach went on record saying that he wanted the DLH fight for Pacman because he saw how he struggled against flyweight Ivan Calderon in Sparring.

[Tails]

All things equal in regards to skill, the bigger man is going to have the advantage from a durability and power standpoint more often than not.

I have completely dominated boxers a lot bigger than me when I was very active but at the same time I am not foolish either. I knew which big guys haf more skills and which ones were way physically stronger than me that I wouldn't stand a chance against.

To put it in perspective I was one of the heavier punchers in my weightclass (130's) and my older brother was as well in his weightclass. He has about half a foot and 40 lbs on me. The power he gets on his shots is far more than what I can generate. We would spar all the time mainly to help me out. No doubt in my mind if he wanted to he could just put his guard up, walk me down, and stop me.

Skill level equal, at a certain point the smaller guy is simply outgunned, and can't match the firepower.

[pesticid]

All things equal in regards to skill, the bigger man is going to have the advantage from a durability and power standpoint more often than not.

I have completely dominated boxers a lot bigger than me when I was very active but at the same time I am not foolish either. I knew which big guys haf more skills and which ones were way physically stronger than me that I wouldn't stand a chance against.

To put it in perspective I was one of the heavier punchers in my weightclass (130's) and my older brother was as well in his weightclass. He has about half a foot and 40 lbs on me. The power he gets on his shots is far more than what I can generate. We would spar all the time mainly to help me out. No doubt in my mind if he wanted to he could just put his guard up, walk me down, and stop me.

Skill level equal, at a certain point the smaller guy is simply outgunned, and can't match the firepower.

Great point! Now some guys, heavier guys are not good at walk you down with a high guard like Canelo in his earlier days.

I have an interesting example myself. At the time I weighed in at 147-154 give or take and I sparred a kid who weighed in at 115 pounds. Levels were different as he finished 2nd competing in Cuba. So we sparred and I couldnt touch him. He probably landed 20 clean shots a round. I have never been hit so much in my life. Good thing he was little and I didnt het hurt but I could ve been hurt had we gone a few more rounds. Anyway we sparred again a few days later and during that time in between all i kept thinking about is I gotta punch with him and walk him down even if im crossing my feet. Put him down 25 seconds in the first round. afterwards it was survival fir him. Interestingly enough not that many boxers go for broke and know how to go for broke because that is also a skill. some guys try to walk you down but they are horrible at it. Others have trained to do so and against those type of guys a 40 pound disadvantage would be hard to overcome.

[anonymous2.0]

What's the saying, 'A skilled big fighter will always beat a skilled small fighter'?

[The D3vil]

obviously not all the time, I exaggerated to get peoples attention. Think of Sam Lanford starting at lightweight, Chris Byrd middleweight, Guillermo Jones welterweight, Duran lightweight, Dlh and Floyd lightweight, Pacman probably at straw fight, Toney at junior middle and Roy at middle. Canelo at welterweight. Dwight Qawi even at 5 6 fighting at heavyweight.

Guillermo Jones was 6'4", FFS, he had not business fighting at 147lbs. Duran, DLH, Floyd, Pacman, Sam Langford, & Roy Joens are all top 40 fighters who ever walked the earth. You can't compare them to other people. Canelo & Qawi are both HOFs.

Like, Hall of Fame fighters and guys who are weight drained at lower weights are not examples of size not mattering.