Smaller Fighters Beat Bigger Fighters All the Time, Yet the Boxing World MUM About IT

[pesticid]

For people that have been to boxing gyms, how many times have you seen small guys beat up on big guys?

You don't even have to go to a boxing gym, go to youtube and I am sure you'd find plenty of videos supporting the argument.

We've seen Devin Haney handle Shawn Porter. Teofimo Lopez handling Ugas, same with Linares beating Ugas. There are so many, many cases.

Look at Pacquiao who moved up from 100 something pounds and went all the way up to beat up Margarito something viscous. How many fighters have gone up in weight and have had success?!?!?! Now how many fighters have gone down in weight and have found success?!?!?!

Yet, boxing heads, fans, commentators always talk about size and weight and yes there are examples where the smaller man lost, there are a quite a few but how many more examples are there where the smaller man won.

There are guys who have moved up 40 plus pounds both in the pro ranks and the amateurs who have become world and olympic champions.

I've seen flyweights beat up on welterweights in the gym, middleweights beating up heavyweights, and NO the welterweights and heavyweights weren't some bums off the streets that just started boxing.

Like George Foreman once said on and HBO broadcast, "boxing is a small man's sport" or something along those lines.

Examples of current fighters who are P4P and who have moved up in weight - Terrence Crawford, Lomachenko and Canelo Alvarez.

So why is nobody talking about it?

[BirdSong]

dont u mean bigger fighters beat smaller ones all the time?
sparing is sparing its not a real fight
if a heavier guy has skills v a smaller guy the small guy is in big trouble in a pro fight, forgot about youtube crap

[pesticid]

dont u mean bigger fighters beat smaller ones all the time?
sparing is sparing its not a real fight
if a heavier guy has skills v a smaller guy the small guy is in big trouble in a pro fight, forgot about youtube crap

No I mean the exact opposite. It's gyms, it's amateurs, it's pros everybody. Smaller guy beats bigger guy the majority of the time. If a small guy has to gain a lot of weight and in the process slow himself down by having that unnatural weight on him, yeah, that's a hindrance. Hence why the gym is the honest truth. Sparring is not just sparring, big guys don't let small guys light them up just cause they are small, that's just a big fighter's excuse lol

[BirdSong]

No I mean the exact opposite. It's gyms, it's amateurs, it's pros everybody. Smaller guy beats bigger guy the majority of the time. If a small guy has to gain a lot of weight and in the process slow himself down by having that unnatural weight on him, yeah, that's a hindrance. Hence why the gym is the honest truth. Sparring is not just sparring, big guys don't let small guys light them up just cause they are small, that's just a big fighter's excuse lol

if u take off the sparing gloves and say go 12 rounds for a few mil to the winner, i know who my cash is on and its not tiny! unless tiny has got say floyd type skills, then yeah ok he can pot shot and avoid but very few can do that but even so there are limits to even the most skilled

[sunny31]

For people that have been to boxing gyms, how many times have you seen small guys beat up on big guys?

You don't even have to go to a boxing gym, go to youtube and I am sure you'd find plenty of videos supporting the argument.

We've seen Devin Haney handle Shawn Porter. Teofimo Lopez handling Ugas, same with Linares beating Ugas. There are so many, many cases.

Look at Pacquiao who moved up from 100 something pounds and went all the way up to beat up Margarito something viscous. How many fighters have gone up in weight and have had success?!?!?! Now how many fighters have gone down in weight and have found success?!?!?!

Yet, boxing heads, fans, commentators always talk about size and weight and yes there are examples where the smaller man lost, there are a quite a few but how many more examples are there where the smaller man won.

There are guys who have moved up 40 plus pounds both in the pro ranks and the amateurs who have become world and olympic champions.

I've seen flyweights beat up on welterweights in the gym, middleweights beating up heavyweights, and NO the welterweights and heavyweights weren't some bums off the streets that just started boxing.

Like George Foreman once said on and HBO broadcast, "boxing is a small man's sport" or something along those lines.

Examples of current fighters who are P4P and who have moved up in weight - Terrence Crawford, Lomachenko and Canelo Alvarez.

So why is nobody talking about it?

Strange post...first off it's all relative, depending on talent level, what current condition each fighter is in, etc etc

In a standard boxing gym you are going to get all sorts of different levels of fighters and much bigger gaps in talent so sometimes yes a bigger fighter will be over matched against a smaller, more experienced, higher level fighter. The higher you get up in level though, and as far as training camps the smaller the talent gap is, an elite professional fighter in training camp will spar mostly with fighters who are a certain weight gap away from him, there are exceptions, if an opponent is exceptionally fast, it might take a much lighter fighter to replicate that opponents speed, normally in that scenario the larger fighter who is the one in camp, would be looking to do certain things to the faster smaller fighter, get him with certain shots, and put him in certain positions, not necessarily looking to hurt him.

Put again it's all relative to talent differential. Also bigger can mean different things, a taller heavier fighter may carry the extra weight in places where stylistically it doesnt make much of a difference. You can get a shorter guy with a thicker frame and limbs vs a lighter fighter who is over matched in strength but has height and reach advantages.

But as a general rule of thumb I'd say if the talent is pretty close then the bigger guy will normally win, pending he can identify his physical advantages and knows how to use them.

[pesticid]

if u take off the sparing gloves and say go 12 rounds for a few mil to the winner, i know who my cash is on and its not tiny! unless tiny has got say floyd type skills, then yeah ok he can pot shot and avoid but very few can do that but even so there are limits to even the most skilled

You're sure about that? I've seen plenty of big guys quit in sparring against smaller guys.

[pesticid]

Strange post...first off it's all relative, depending on talent level, what current condition each fighter is in, etc etc

In a standard boxing gym you are going to get all sorts of different levels of fighters and much bigger gaps in talent so sometimes yes a bigger fighter will be over matched against a smaller, more experienced, higher level fighter. The higher you get up in level though, and as far as training camps the smaller the talent gap is, an elite professional fighter in training camp will spar mostly with fighters who are a certain weight gap away from him, there are exceptions, if an opponent is exceptionally fast, it might take a much lighter fighter to replicate that opponents speed, normally in that scenario the larger fighter who is the one in camp, would be looking to do certain things to the faster smaller fighter, get him with certain shots, and put him in certain positions, not necessarily looking to hurt him.

Put again it's all relative to talent differential. Also bigger can mean different things, a taller heavier fighter may carry the extra weight in places where stylistically it doesnt make much of a difference. You can get a shorter guy with a thicker frame and limbs vs a lighter fighter who is over matched in strength but has height and reach advantages.

But as a general rule of thumb I'd say if the talent is pretty close then the bigger guy will normally win, pending he can identify his physical advantages and knows how to use them.

I actually agree with everything you had to say except for the last part. Your post is very informative just b/c things are rarely black and white, especially in boxing. I've seen a middleweight national champ beating heavyweight national champ in sparring, and obviously the exception doesn't make the rule but we don't have to look just at sparring such as Teofimo Lopez beating and playing with Yordanis Ugas. Lopez isn't more skillful than Ugas. No way!

How about Pacman going up all the way up to fight Margartio and pretty much giving him the worst beatdown of his career? How about Canelo Alvarez? How about Roberto Duran? Lomachenko? Now keep in mind, I have only listed guys who are short with short reach, physical characteristics that are believed to be the worst for boxing.

Now how about Roy Jones, James Toney? You know what let me throw a curve ball too. How about Guillermo Jones, he started at WW for crying out loud. Wait, now, have you seen Kovalev beating the brakes off Guillermo in sparring? DLH, Mayweather and so on and so forth. Chris Byrd went up from middleweight to Heavyweight was it?

Now specific fighters who are bigger and less skillful beat smaller, more athletic and talented guys. There are few strategies they can employ. I can see how a guy like Beterbiev can maul over smaller and bigger guys. I think Beterbiev right now will maul anybody regardless of division but that's just who he is, but then how many Beterbievs are there in the sport of boxing?

[HitmanTommy]

Dumb post.

I guess you didn't watch Haye vs Wlad.

[pesticid]

Dumb post.

I guess you didn't watch Haye vs Wlad.

LOL

I guess you didn't watch Evander Holyfield vs Tyson

Wait, how about Haye vs Valuev lol?

Wait again, how about Bellew vs Haye both times.

Stop with the straw man arguments dude

[HitmanTommy]

LOL

I guess you didn't watch Evander Holyfield vs Tyson

You see what I did there...

No I didn't....... Tyson's skills were diminished by the time he fought Holyfield.

Haye and Wlad were both virtually equal in skill.