Mayweather's Money Won't Match Pacquiao's Legacy, says Buddy McGirt

[Get em up]

I could waste my time naming them but you're already dug-in on your position. He either fought big names on their way out or on their way up, or when they just weren't at their best. His defensive style allowed him to settle for decision wins, instead of actually beating an elite level opponent.

Isn't the idea to hit and not be hit? A decision win is a win all the same. Dont get me wrong I personally think Pac has the better legacy but not by much and Pac has enough money for 3 lifetimes himself so as far as I'm concerned they are both doing EXTREMELY well in both categories. Just my opinion though.

[The Big Dunn]

He also touched upon Floyd's cherry-picking, so there's that. This has been a criticism of Floyd throughout his career and post-career.

Whom did he cherry pick? He fought odh and Shane when they wanted because they were bigger earners at one point and wouldn’t fight him.

After odh he fought Shane, hatton, cotto, jmm and manny- everyone he was supposed to fight.

He didn’t fight margs we know that. He fought Canelo. He used a cw, the same as manny did against margs and cotto.

So I’m kind of confused by what Buddy is really upset about, other than him beating the brakes off Gatti, r.i.p.

[GhostofDempsey]

That energy could have been spent on naming names.

Not a single Pac fan/May hater is willing to name names.

Only a casual would need the names to be explained to them. He got three gift decisions in his career versus Castillo I, Maidana I and DLH. He fought a still green Canelo at a catchweight, Manny with an injured shoulder, Cotto after he took a pounding from both Margo and Manny, Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir, JMM coming up two weight classes and then Floyd not making the catchweight. I can go on.

I sense pretty much most of the boxing world, is envious of Floyd Mayweather 'Mayweather has a better legacy than Pacquiao'. At his peak Pacquiao whether he won or lost was continuedly being ****** about etc

This is where you don't get it, Floyd is the one envious of everyone else, hence his diva-like tantrums anytime a fighter his ranked higher than him. He hinged his legacy on an undefeated record from a career that was very carefully navigated.

Isn't the idea to hit and not be hit? A decision win is a win all the same. Dont get me wrong I personally think Pac has the better legacy but not by much and Pac has enough money for 3 lifetimes himself so as far as I'm concerned they are both doing EXTREMELY well in both categories. Just my opinion though.

Sure a win is a win, but boxing is a spectator sport. Fighting like an amateur trying to seal a points win isn't very fan-friendly. Especially while cherry-pick the weakest links to each division and a good part of your defense is clinching and running.

[The Big Dunn]

I could waste my time naming them but you're already dug-in on your position. He either fought big names on their way out or on their way up, or when they just weren't at their best. His defensive style allowed him to settle for decision wins, instead of actually beating an elite level opponent.

I’m confused by this post. You post he settled for a decision win instead of beating an elite level opponent. I guess you mean beat them up.

Now why would a smaller guy risk losing and getting his head beat in when he didn’t have to. Floyd just learned from Leonard Duran 1 that you don’t fight an elite fighter in their type of fight if you don’t have to.

Go to the manny and jmm fights. 2 hof fighters won a combined 3 rounds against him.
Men who would go on to huge victories over elite fighters afterwards proving they weren’t shot.

Why does Floyd have to win a certain way and everyone else can just win?

[BodyBagz]

Only a casual would need the names to be explained to them. He got three gift decisions in his career versus Castillo I, Maidana I and DLH. He fought a still green Canelo at a catchweight, Manny with an injured shoulder, Cotto after he took a pounding from both Margo and Manny, Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir, JMM coming up two weight classes and then Floyd not making the catchweight. I can go on.

So much for naming names ?
Algieri
Rios
Horn ( )
Broner
Lucas
Vargas
Skinny DLH
Hatton
Claused Cotto
Clottey
Bradley 3x
Margarito
A couple of shop worn legends 20 yrs ago....
A ton of farmers and food vendors.......

What legacy ?

[The Big Dunn]

Only a casual would need the names to be explained to them. He got three gift decisions in his career versus Castillo I, Maidana I and DLH. He fought a still green Canelo at a catchweight, Manny with an injured shoulder, Cotto after he took a pounding from both Margo and Manny, Judah coming off a loss to Baldomir, JMM coming up two weight classes and then Floyd not making the catchweight. I can go on.



This is where you don't get it, Floyd is the one envious of everyone else, hence his diva-like tantrums anytime a fighter his ranked higher than him. He hinged his legacy on an undefeated record from a career that was very carefully navigated.



Sure a win is a win, but boxing is a spectator sport. Fighting like an amateur trying to seal a points win isn't very fan-friendly. Especially while cherry-pick the weakest links to each division and a good part of your defense is clinching and running.

The flaw in your argument is floyd sold more seats and more Ppvs, at higher prices, than any fighter in the history of the sport..

Most notably, he headlined the 2 biggest selling events ever, one against a fighter with no fight experience.

You really aren’t one of the clowns that thinks he sold all this because he was hated?

[UNBANNED]

Not really sure what McGirt means as I feel Floyd's legacy is currently better than Mannys.

I do not regard Mannys wins over DLH, Mosley or Margarito as GOOD wins. Mannys wins over Thurman, Cotto, and Hatton were GOOD but not GREAT. Collectively that body of work is VERY impressive especially considering how little Manny started out...its historically never been done before in the HISTORY of the sport.

Which brings me to a very important and relevant anecdote. In the prime of Mannys career he spent 4-5 years refusing drug testing for steroids and performance enhancing drugs - something that was legitimately su****ious at the time. Some people try to ignore that never happened or choose to ignore it, but let me be clear - Manny very likely cheated. Very likely.

As a result Floyd's legacy OR money are better than Mannys legacy.

[GhostofDempsey]

Whom did he cherry pick? He fought odh and Shane when they wanted because they were bigger earners at one point and wouldn’t fight him.

After odh he fought Shane, hatton, cotto, jmm and manny- everyone he was supposed to fight.

He didn’t fight margs we know that. He fought Canelo. He used a cw, the same as manny did against margs and cotto.

So I’m kind of confused by what Buddy is really upset about, other than him beating the brakes off Gatti, r.i.p.

Cherry-picked Juuko, Gerena, Vargas, Bruseles, Maidana, Berto, McGregor, Canelo, plenty more.

Floyd has always been content to get by with decisions. Take the fight with over-matched Vargas, fans booed Floyd back then for being a boring fighter, this was his fifth title defense...and he had plenty of excuses for his lack of heart to finish off his opponent.

Mayweather knocked Vargas down with a left to the body in the sixth round and won easily on all three judges' scorecards. John Keane and Daniel Van de Wiele both scored it 119-108 while Chuck Giampa had it 118-109.

The problem was not the end, but the means. Mayweather was unable to put Vargas away, being content to cruise along on his superior speed and footwork, happy to just hit and run.

"I went into the fight with both my [right] hand and wrist hurting," Mayweather said, "but I don't want to make excuses. I moved around more than usual because I didn't want to get hit. I was fighting with one hand."

Vargas wasn't buying that excuse.

"He has a lack of courage," Vargas said.

Mayweather also had another excuse. He hadn't fought for six months because of the turmoil in his corner where his father, Floyd, Sr., remains the trainer, but has been replaced as manager by rap music producer James Prince. With Prince in charge of negotiations, the younger Mayweather's current contract with HBO ran out with Saturday's fight.

"The long layoff affected me," Mayweather said. "It affected my defense. I was hit too much. I want to fight in a month or a month and half. Six months is too much."

Yet despite his claims of injury and rust, Mayweather still found the time to talk to the ringside broadcasters. At one point, he told trainer Emanuel Steward that he felt fine.

On another occasion, when HBO's Jim Lampley told his audience that Mayweather had switched to a southpaw style for the second time, Mayweather leaned over to inform Lampley that it was the third time.

Cute stuff, but not enough to keep the crowd from booing Mayweather for the lack of action.

[GhostofDempsey]

I’m confused by this post. You post he settled for a decision win instead of beating an elite level opponent. I guess you mean beat them up.

Now why would a smaller guy risk losing and getting his head beat in when he didn’t have to. Floyd just learned from Leonard Duran 1 that you don’t fight an elite fighter in their type of fight if you don’t have to.

Go to the manny and jmm fights. 2 hof fighters won a combined 3 rounds against him.
Men who would go on to huge victories over elite fighters afterwards proving they weren’t shot.

Why does Floyd have to win a certain way and everyone else can just win?

Neither JMM or Manny were the best versions of themselves when they fought Floyd.

[hugh grant]

All these Floyd fans saying in their opinion Floyd s legacies better? Pac is a higher ATG, that isn't my opinion, it's fact. It's not about Floyd s fans opinions.
The higher the ATG you are, means the more desirable your legacy is.

If Floyd was a higher AT G than he is, buddy mcgirt would prefer Floyd s legacy, as would hopkins. They want what Pac has, which is a higher ATG standing!