Lomachenkos level of competition is awful

[Happy Lora]

Olympic and pro prize fighting are two completely different sports. Plenty of guys who were dominant in the amateurs didn’t do much of anything as pros.

We’re supposed to believe that these small poor Eastern European countries are paying amateur fighters as well as pro price fighters in the west? Lol this is a ridiculous post bro.

No. It isn't. It's a factual post, actually.

Do you think turning pro in boxing is like going to the NBA or NFL from college (amateurs)?

[BaguMka]

Olympic and pro prize fighting are two completely different sports. Plenty of guys who were dominant in the amateurs didn’t do much of anything as pros.

We’re supposed to believe that these small poor Eastern European countries are paying amateur fighters as well as pro price fighters in the west? Lol this is a ridiculous post bro.

You don't get the point. He meant that all amateurs champs don't want to take risk and move to the states due to politics corruption etc , they get praise at home and have enough money for living good life.

[VG_Addict]

Russell Jr, Walters, Rigondeaux, Linares, and Campbell are all solid wins. It's not Lomachenko's fault he's so much better than everyone he's fought.

[Happy Lora]

You don't get the point. He meant that all amateurs champs don't want to take risk and move to the states due to politics corruption etc , they get praise at home and have enough money for living good life.

Pretty much. Aside from the fact that all of the money in pro boxing is at the top. The vast majority of pros make base income. They're not living nearly as well as the national heroes in the places I mentioned.

[Goldie]

No. It isn't. It's a factual post, actually.

Do you think turning pro in boxing is like going to the NBA or NFL from college (amateurs)?

Saitov and Tischenko are national heros? They fought the “best of the best”? Those aren’t facts, it’s spin.

People outside of diehard boxing fans have never heard of those guys. What evidence do you have that they’re national heros? What do you even know about how well they’re living and how much their government is responsible for their well being?

Yea, going from the amateurs to the pros in boxing is similar to the respective leap in other sports. Your idea that the best fighters are in the amateurs is ridiculous. Not only is amateur boxing a different sport than pro prize fighting, but the best fighters usually leave the amateurs way before they reach their prime physically, mentally, and emotionally. So there’s no way that guys who’ve only fought in the amateurs have fought “the best of the best”.

“We’re privileged that loma has turned pro.......”. This is the mindset that I push back against. As if loma is this great generational talent/fighter that we should be thankful to have seen. That’s extreme overhyping in my opinion. Dude is good but I don’t feel lucky to have seen him fight. His going pro has benefited him and the people around him but he hasn’t done me as a fan any favors.

You don't get the point. He meant that all amateurs champs don't want to take risk and move to the states due to politics corruption etc , they get praise at home and have enough money for living good life.

I got the point fine, I simply don’t agree.

I can agree with the idea that non western fighters who never come to the west and go pro don’t want to take the risk for whatever reason, but this idea that it’s a sacrifice that we should we as fans should be thankful for is a joke. The best of the best prove themselves as pros.

[mathed]

Why do I feel like if Loma was a PBC boxer, we wouldn't have any threads like this one?

[Happy Lora]

Saitov and Tischenko are national heros? They fought the “best of the best”? Those aren’t facts, it’s spin.

People outside of diehard boxing fans have never heard of those guys. What evidence do you have that they’re national heros? What do you even know about how well they’re living and how much their government is responsible for their well being?

Quite a bit. I've discussed these things at length with people on that side of the world. I didn't just make it up.

Yea, going from the amateurs to the pros in boxing is similar to the respective leap in other sports.

In order to become a pro boxer you need to pass a physical, apply for a boxing license, and pay the fee.

Not sure if you knew that, but I don't think I really need to say much more.

Your idea that the best fighters are in the amateurs is ridiculous. Not only is amateur boxing a different sport than pro prize fighting, but the best fighters usually leave the amateurs way before they reach their prime physically, mentally, and emotionally. So there’s no way that guys who’ve only fought in the amateurs have fought “the best of the best”.

I didn't say the best fighters are in the amateurs. I said many, if not most, of the best amateurs don't turn pro, and explained why. Some of them wouldn't or haven't panned out in the pros. Some have or would have. Depends on the individual.

Either way, the Olympics and certain international boxing events are far bigger in other countries than they are in the states. They're considered more prestigious than a pro belt. It's not terribly hard to see why, either. You represent your country against the rest of the planet. There's no cherry picking. No negotiating. No stalling for time. The best fight the best. If you win Gold there's no dispute. It's a much truer system than what has become of pro boxing.

“We’re privileged that loma has turned pro.......”. This is the mindset that I push back against. As if loma is this great generational talent/fighter that we should be thankful to have seen. That’s extreme overhyping in my opinion. Dude is good but I don’t feel lucky to have seen him fight. His going pro has benefited him and the people around him but he hasn’t done me as a fan any favors.

Whatever you think of his talent is your opinion. You missed my point. I don't care if you consider him a generational talent. We're privileged to watch him as a pro because more often than not the best amateurs choose not to even take that route. He's one of the few in recent times to do so, and he was probably the best of the entire lot. So yeah, I'd say we as fans got lucky to have a guy like him.

[BoxingIsGreat]

I agree, Davis is the best of them i think. If we get Lopez we can predict the Davis fight. If it's a close Loma win over Lopez, Davis probably beats Loma. If Loma walks through Lopez, the Davis fight is interesting. I think it looks like this Davis>Haney>Stevenson>Lopez>Garcia in terms of who is the best of them right now.

Floyd is smart and will wait out that Davis fight as long as possible and age Loma even more. That's what I would do.

There's no reason to age Loma. If Davis is as good as I think, he'd jump on it. I disagree completely if that's Floyd's mindset.

I remember how Pretty Boy challenged himself and bulldozed through 130 and 135. He should extend the same opportunity to Davis. Loma will be Gervonta's Corrales. Instead, Floyd is derailing the career of his best fighter.

[Happy Lora]

There's no reason to age Loma. If Davis is as good as I think, he'd jump on it. I disagree completely if that's Floyd's mindset.

I remember how Pretty Boy challenged himself and bulldozed through 130 and 135. He should extend the same opportunity to Davis. Loma will be Gervonta's Corrales. Instead, Floyd is derailing the career of his best fighter.

Looks like Floyd and his handlers know something about him you don't. There's a reason they're holding off on testing him. That's clear at this point.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Looks like Floyd and his handlers know something about him you don't. There's a reason they're holding off on testing him. That's clear at this point.

Davis was tested and shined when he became a champ at 22. The guy who tested him and got KOed dismissively in 7 rounds gave Lomachenko one of his toughest fights. Life and death. We know Davis is good, no question about that. I wanna find out how good.

I agree he needs to take only tough fights going forth.

I don't agree they know something about him to derail his career. Ellerbe and Floyd are crap promoters. That's all it is.